How to render for ExposureRoom and Vimeo?

Joseph Stunzi said:
I will say settings for YouTube and Vimeo/Exposure Room are completely different in my workflow.
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Joseph, I'm far from an expert at online encoding (I've been doing it less than 6 months), but I'm wondering how and why your settings would be different for the different services?

Lor, one thing I learned, when trying new settings or making changes, make a 10 second sequence of your material, choosing 3 or 4 shots of a variety of movement and brightness, and compress and upload that, so you're not waiting for huge files to compress and upload.

Also, I think Vimeo Plus ($60 US?) has a larger viewing screen.

I don't know what camera(s) captured your source material but here's Vimeo Plus with the Canon 5D MkII-
Stunning, beautiful and sharp:

http://www.vimeo.com/5606758?hd=1
 
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goveChuck, thanks for the input. Yes, I may have to do that so I don't have to wait an hour for upload.

My footage are from Sony EX1 with Letus Extreme 35mm adapter and shot in 1080/24p and 720/24p for some over crank footage.

I like to use Exposure Room because of the various settings that allow me to set on my uploaded files and profiles and the 1280 by 720. However, the quality are not as good as Vimeo at this time.

If I understand correctly, the $60 per year on Vimeo means the viewer will have to be Vimeo/plus member to even watch the larger screen size video. The majority of viewers will not pay the $60 annually just to see the larger screen size unless they have other motives.
 
Lor, I don't think the viewer has to be a Plus member, just the poster.
Go to the link I posted, you should have the larger window as a regular viewer.
Let the video load first.
Also watch it full screen, see what you think.
You should be able to get a great upload with the EX1/Letus.
 
groveChuck said:
Lor, I don't think the viewer has to be a Plus member, just the poster.
Go to the link I posted, you should have the larger window as a regular viewer.
Let the video load first.
Also watch it full screen, see what you think.
You should be able to get a great upload with the EX1/Letus.
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I did. The screen size is not 1280 by 720. The "full screen" feature is just a blown up of the image so that it fits whatever monitor the viewer has. I'm referring to the resolution that the uploader actually rendered and uploaded to Vimeo. I did not see that in your link above. I see a link down on the bottom to download the HD version but then that requires a member plus.
 
Okay, so my post #19 is not fair since I compare the MD quality from ExposureRoom to Vimeo's HD On version. So, here's another comparison. This time Vimeo's HD of turned off.

Here's Vimeo HD Off:

Vimeo640-360HDoff.jpg


And here is ExposureRoom MD quality NOT HD quality.

Exposure640-360.jpg


To really compare it, I thought I blew up both image 300% in Photoshop.

Vimeo HD Off:

Vimeo640-360HDoff_blowUP300.jpg


And Exposure with MD quality:

Exposure640-360_blowUp300.jpg


Yes, I still think that Vimeo's does a better job at rendering or overall image quality. Any disagreement here?
 
Okay, will someone go and view this video for me and tell me if I'm wrong or right.

ExposureRoom

Password: 123456

Vimeo

Sorry for pressing to this issue but I can't believed what ExposureRoom said so I want to make sure everyone is seeing the same as I am or is it just my computer. Here's what XR staff said:

[FONT=&quot]I’ve attached two images that do a proper comparison (of the HD versions and without scaling). You can see that in the Vimeo version there is a lot of macro blocking (more visible in the background areas). In the XR version there is almost no macro blocking. Macro blocking is how you tell the quality of video. I think you were looking at the grains?[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Please also note that in order to compare, the exact same frame must be compared as video is made up of partial frames. So to compare one must compare the exact two frames. In your comparison you were not comparing the exact two frames. This may not seem significant to you but it makes all the difference.[/FONT]


VimeoHD attached from XR staff

VimeoHD.jpg


XR HD emailed from XR staff

XRHD.jpg


What I don't get is, why are XR staff's screen shot is different then mine. Will someone give it a try and see if XR is right or I am right.

Many thanks!
 
Well, it looks like no one is comparing the two for me. I was wondering it's me (my eyes or monitor) and they XR tech support is right. According to XR's post here, it does look like XR is pretty good but that's not what I see.
 
Is there an HD tab on XR that you need to click?

Your screen grab looks like my videos on youtube BEFORE you click the HD button. If not it could just be your internet connection or computer monitor..
 
Eric Papa said:
Is there an HD tab on XR that you need to click?

Your screen grab looks like my videos on youtube BEFORE you click the HD button. If not it could just be your internet connection or computer monitor..
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Have you looked at the clip on XR? I did click the HD button on XR and it's the same result, but I want to find out if it is just my Internet connection as you have suggested or something else. I do noticed that some clips on XR looks really nice so I doubt that XR is by default worst than others. But I also see other clips that have similar problems as mine too.

In the mean time I will use Vemio but it sure nice to find out why some clips are good and some are worst in XR.
 
Lor said:
Have you looked at the clip on XR? I did click the HD button on XR and it's the same result, but I want to find out if it is just my Internet connection as you have suggested or something else. I do noticed that some clips on XR looks really nice so I doubt that XR is by default worst than others. But I also see other clips that have similar problems as mine too.

In the mean time I will use Vemio but it sure nice to find out why some clips are good and some are worst in XR.
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Did you do CBR encoding? I've spoken with people on here who THINK vbr is better than CBR which is not the case.

I've had really good success everywhere online creating an HD WMV in sorenson, with a CBR data rate of 5000 and sharpness set to 90.

I'll look at the clip on XR now
 
Eric Papa, thanks for the response. I'll give that settings a try tonight. I've used VBR instead of CBR on that clip.
 
What I mean is that I've seen in XR the video looks fuzzy and more pixelated than Vimeo.

Thanks! I'll give Facebook a try too when I have some time.
 
Yea try facebook, videos display natively in HD, and you can select SD for low res if you want. In addition they load fast, and have a 20 min limit, not 10 min.
 
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