How bad is 16:9 on the 100b?

Wow Richard I can't believe your footage on that edit how did you bring up to 720P, did you have to do anything when shooting or was it all done in compressor and if so what settings did you use!?
 
DVXonsnow said:
Wow Richard I can't believe your footage on that edit how did you bring up to 720P, did you have to do anything when shooting or was it all done in compressor and if so what settings did you use!?
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I want to know all the details as well; the quality looks great!
 
me too, shoot also exclusively in 16:9 squeeze on my DVX....
since I got the camera, I switched it to 16:9 and never turned it back... forgot totally that is has even 4:3 :)
 
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The word "bad" is relative. If you've never seen a mountain you would assume that a hill is tall. The 16:9 mode on the DVX probably stands fine on its own, but when you put it next to a camera that shoots 16:9 native like the XL2 or the A1, the difference is immediate and obvious. On that same note, I wouldn't shoot 4:3 on an A1 and compare it to a DVX either. If resolution is the only factor (aside from cost, functionality, etc.) and you really need 16:9, then get a native 16:9 camera, it's as simple as that.
 
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IMHO the XL2 is the way to go for low cost 16x9 SD. But there are other things to consider between the DVX and XL2, so the better 16x9 picture of the XL2 could be outweighted by another DVX feature...
On the other hand I just wouldn´t buy a SD camera anymore (only maybe a slightly used one for an attractive price...)
 
I agree with Spartacus : that's why I own both DVX100 and XL2. I really like the sharpness and details of the XL2's pictures as well as the camera's "get-out-of-my-way-I'm-shooting" size, but the DVX100's there for me when I need a (much) less cumbersome camera that can get better low-light 24pA footage and without loosing much sharpness.
 
I'm glad you liked the film, usually I would do color correction in an HD 10-bit codec, but this time I did everything including titles in dv (this project is going strait to DVD). Then during compression, I just resized my output to 1280x720p for the vimeo upload. Thats how I got an "HD" picture.

The dvx100 is perfect for applications like that project, it was small and light to make shooting easier in Rwanda.

I think we get a little too into the technical side of things and forget what the camera was made for, filmmaking! What matters is that your facilitating the best images you can, and telling a story the best you can. Everything else (including camera and format) comes second (at least for me it does).

; )
 
No arguements here, I was just really surprised to hear you can blow this guys footage up to 720P and retain real quality it just opens up a lot of options for the footage shot; thank you for the run down on how it's done!
 
KineticWest said:
What about letter box 16:9 on the DVX100b? No squeeze...just watch your bars :)
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That's fine if you are shooting for SD broadcast or for some reason need to work with 4:3 footage. If you are going to DVD, which supports pure 16:9, or projection, or blowing up to HD, then SQUEEZE gets you there smoother.
 
Just Look !

Just Look !

KineticWest said:
What about letter box 16:9 on the DVX100b? No squeeze...just watch your bars :)
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What ? !! - Letterbox might be ok if your only ever going to see it on an old 4:3 tv with no 16:9 display capability.
But, connect the DVX into a good monitor or TV , try each setting, and LOOK at the diference !! - There are no "opinions" required - it's a clear fact; for 16:9 on the DVX100, Progressive and Squeeze is the best.

Draw some thick,sharp-edged horizontal, near horizontal, and upright black lines on white paper and look how the edges are displayed on screen in the various modes. - Better still - print out some ResolutionTrumpet test charts.

Try also THICK/MED/THIN settings (progressive). If you've not tried this before, I think you'll be in for a suprise ! (this is also display-specific. Some (TVs) cope better with MED or THICK than the THIN setting)
Also, have a quick look at interlace and squeeze - it's easilly seen why squeeze is good for progressive only.

Just try a critical look - no need to record - just watch results live ( - I love messing like this! - can you tell I don't get out much ? ! )


hunter richards said:
. . . . . . . I think we get a little too into the technical side of things and forget what the camera was made for, filmmaking! . . . . . . . ; )
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Well said !!!

Ruff
 
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hunter richards said:
I think we get a little too into the technical side of things and forget what the camera was made for, filmmaking! What matters is that your facilitating the best images you can, and telling a story the best you can. Everything else (including camera and format) comes second (at least for me it does).
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Damn straight.
 
http://vimeo.com/1489143

Some footage I shot in squeeze and is now in 720p.

I shot this the other day, and by the other day I mean earlier today. I just wanted to test a scene file but the decided to uprez for all the " The dvx is old and crappy and doesnt have true widecreen" people. I will be shooting with the dvx until scarlet.
http://www.vimeo.com/1828390
 
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hunter richards said:
I'm glad you liked the film, usually I would do color correction in an HD 10-bit codec, but this time I did everything including titles in dv (this project is going strait to DVD). Then during compression, I just resized my output to 1280x720p for the vimeo upload. Thats how I got an "HD" picture.

The dvx100 is perfect for applications like that project, it was small and light to make shooting easier in Rwanda.

I think we get a little too into the technical side of things and forget what the camera was made for, filmmaking! What matters is that your facilitating the best images you can, and telling a story the best you can. Everything else (including camera and format) comes second (at least for me it does).

; )
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So what mode was it shot in? 24P, 24Pa? How do you plan to export to DVD, 24P or 60i? That footage looks so amazing, it has very good composition. I was just wondering how you plan on distibuting that on DVD with the same quality image.
 
hunter richards said:
I think we get a little too into the technical side of things and forget what the camera was made for, filmmaking! What matters is that your facilitating the best images you can, and telling a story the best you can. Everything else (including camera and format) comes second...

; )
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Well said! I say, use what you have and make the best story you possible can. When it becomes apparent that the camera is limiting your creative abilities then you should upgrade. For example, a DVX is all you need until you can make the best story possible by you.
 
I exclusively use 16x9 squeeze for everything with my DVX100B.
Yes, technically you lose some horizontal resolution, but it's not even noticeable for any application you would be using a DVX100B for. I shoot tons of very low light situations and even with squeeze it's a beautiful image people rave and compliment on all the time.

If you are actually worried about the very small quality lose from shooting in squeeze, you should probably want a better camera than the DVX100B.

Anyone using the DVX100B is probably shooting projects that won't even notice any difference in quality. Low Budget Music Videos, Cable Commercials, Indie Films, etc.

It's an amazing camera for the price, and if you light and shoot right, it will blow you away as a Standard Def camera.
 
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