HMC150 questions answered...

shrigg said:
It went pretty well. I really didn't have a lot of time but I tried to shoot a variety of subjects at all the frame rates.

Now uploading. It's gonna take while though... Transmit is telling me "about 7 hours remaining" for the 1.44Gb .zip file.

I am looking at the footage on my HD Sony CRT and it looks pretty good! Each framerate really has a different feel, quite surprising differences!
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Good to hear shrigg! I'm so jealous. What format are you uploading these clips in?
 
I know this thread got really long so I wasn't able to read all 79 pages. But I went to Texas Media Systems today and had a chance to see the HMC150 myself and I was really impressed.

However, there was one thing I still want to know. If this camera uses the same sensors as the HPX170, then can it also record 4:2:2? And if not, what does it record?

The 1080p/24p Native mode was really impressive.
 
Carlos Corral said:
I know this thread got really long so I wasn't able to read all 79 pages. But I went to Texas Media Systems today and had a chance to see the HMC150 myself and I was really impressed.

However, there was one thing I still want to know. If this camera uses the same sensors as the HPX170, then can it also record 4:2:2? And if not, what does it record?

The 1080p/24p Native mode was really impressive.
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It RECORDS in 4:2:0 to AVCHD. But the HDMI output is pre-compression, so it's 4:4:4 and can be recorded using an intensity card or a flash recorder
 
Very cool.

I have two 150s showing up noon tomorrow from B&H.

If anyones interested I may have time this weekend to set up my DVX, HVX and 150 all side by side for some shots.

So no DVX battery usage.... augh. Did not know that. Also if this is the case where can i buy some big ones because i do not see them out yet?
 
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Boomerang, that would be awesome!

Shrigg, so are you uploading DVCPro files? I remember you saying something about using FCP... so I'm just wondering.
 
seven.b said:
Boomerang, that would be awesome!

Shrigg, so are you uploading DVCPro files? I remember you saying something about using FCP... so I'm just wondering.
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No way! I am just uploading the entire PRIVATE folder straight off the card.
Transcoded footage would be way too huge too upload.
 
shrigg said:
No way! I am just uploading the entire PRIVATE folder straight off the card.
Transcoded footage would be way too huge too upload.
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Yeah, I guess that makes sense. haha.

So what's going to be the best way to convert these files for playing around with in FCP?

Sorry for the dumb questions but the only method I know right now would be log and transfer but you would need the camera to do that.

Thanks.
 
I don't understand something. Why would the HMC150 shoot 4:2:0 if it is suppose to be better than HDV? Even the JVC110HD Camera does 4:2:2 via firewire. Is 25 mbits to low to handle 4:2:2?
 
Carlos Corral said:
I don't understand something. Why would the HMC150 shoot 4:2:0 if it is suppose to be better than HDV? Even the JVC110HD Camera does 4:2:2 via firewire. Is 25 mbits to low to handle 4:2:2?
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On JVC's website, it says the GY-HD110U will do live 4:2:2 out its analog component out, not firewire. It can't record 4:2:2 HDV at 25Mbps because it's not possible.

"Live 720/60P analog component output (4:2:2 equivalent)"

In answer to your better than HDV question, it is all about the codec. AVCHD uses h.264 compression which is much newer than HDV's MPEG-2. The macro blocking you see on digital television or HDV is pretty course. AVCHD uses blocks that are 16 times finer. Also HDV uses only three frames to predict inter-frame motion where AVCHD uses 5 frames. It is more advanced all the way around.

For a good look at AVCHD check out Sony's brochure on it. I posted it here a few days go but I don't see why I can't post it again...

 
B&H is shipping at least some units...

B&H is shipping at least some units...

..as mine was, though I did pre order. My last camera I also pre ordered from B&H, an HV20, and I was happy with it as a basic HD camcorder. Stu signed that one pretty much as a joke, so maybe it was an HV20+. lol

The HV20 did get loaned out for a short that showed publicly here in the bay and got into an LA festival recently, but the two projects I directed this year were shot on a ZIU ( PSA for the Niles Silent Film Museum ) and an EX1 ( Everything but the Girl, showing in San Francisco Oct 5th at the Victoria and Fremont Dec 14th at the film museum ). So what I'm saying is I used the HV20 as a handycam myself and not for important projects as manual control really wasn't there even with all the tricks. Great camera, but with the HMC150, it will get get the nod most of the time I think. Wasn't the main operator on either of those since I was directing, though on the PSA I shot a pickup of an audience and several other shots using the HV20 and cut them into the Z1U footage. The EX1 and EX3 are stellar cameras and no doubt higher resolution for sure in 1080P, not knocking the EX at all, I like the way EBTG looks and we shot 720P. I worked on about a dozen other prpjects as the location sound mixer in the past year and got to hook the mixer into various cameras, really allot of great low budget HD cameras out there now days and I'm keeping an eye out on SLRs as down the road could get very interesting. A year of sound and now getting back to Steadicam.

The HMC150 is a likely winner IMHO, especially for Steadicam with a Focus/Iris remote. Still looking for an Obie light as I'm shooting a music video next month. I may shoot Steadiccam and 2nd unit some on other projects with it prior to year end as the HVX200 is popular around here and HMC150 footage probably cuts in well. I'll likely convert it to DVCPRO HD for them and edit native myself.

Regards, Alan
 
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shrigg said:
On JVC's website, it says the GY-HD110U will do live 4:2:2 out its analog component out, not firewire. It can't record 4:2:2 HDV at 25Mbps because it's not possible.

"Live 720/60P analog component output (4:2:2 equivalent)"

In answer to your better than HDV question, it is all about the codec. AVCHD uses h.264 compression which is much newer than HDV's MPEG-2. The macro blocking you see on digital television or HDV is pretty course. AVCHD uses blocks that are 16 times finer. Also HDV uses only three frames to predict inter-frame motion where AVCHD uses 5 frames. It is more advanced all the way around.

For a good look at AVCHD check out Sony's brochure on it. I posted it here a few days go but I don't see why I can't post it again...

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Wow I guess I misunderstood my previous DP. We shot a feature a month back with the JVC110 and Redrock adapter he told me that by filming to a firestore, we were getting the 4:2:2 color ratio. Don't get me wrong, the footage looks great! But if its 4:2:0, then maybe the HMC150 is a great choice for his price.
 
The sales rep in creativevideo told me that they'll have them early next week!!!
 
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