High frame rate, low-cost consumer camera

noirist said:
Here's a new $1000 consumer camcorder with high frame rates, the JVC GC-PX100. It's got a 1/2.3" BSI sensor with a fast f1.2 lens and has five high-shooting speeds, ranging from 120fps to 600fps. It also shoots 1080p60 at 35Mbps. That's significantly better than anything Panasonic, Sony, or Canon have announced so far, at least on paper.
http://newsroom.jvc.com/press-relea...amera-designed-to-capture-fast-moving-action/
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well now, that might become the best option of this thread, provided that the 600fps is at sd or higher. dubious at the moment
 
Yeah, I saw that, and am quite interested in it, I like that it's their "flagship" model. But, to be fair, they've had 600fps cameras before, and have them currently in their lineup, and they're 640x72. The demo video of a balloon popping on their site for their existing model is not impressive, it looks like super-low-res aliased crud. But, that's the old model, and I am cautiously optimistic that this new model will have been upgraded since then. So ar, as Darren said, it's the leading candidate until we see some more specs and some samples.
 
I know that this might be obvious and its not easy and quick but in case you've not considered it, have you thought about twixtor. You could get a bunch of cameras for cheap if image quality isn't paramount and just apply the same settings to every clip, walk away to render, and come back to 1000fps.

http://vimeo.com/15439549
 
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Twixtor can sort of simulate the motion of things that it can detect the motion of, but I'm talking about filming very fast things, which a conventional video camera would likely never see. Twixtor sometimes works and sometimes doesn't, but in a 60fps camera there might only be one frame in total that the object appears in, and then it's gone -- not the kind of thing Twixtor can deal with... thanks for the suggestion though!
 
Barry_Green said:
Twixtor can sort of simulate the motion of things that it can detect the motion of, but I'm talking about filming very fast things, which a conventional video camera would likely never see. Twixtor sometimes works and sometimes doesn't, but in a 60fps camera there might only be one frame in total that the object appears in, and then it's gone -- not the kind of thing Twixtor can deal with... thanks for the suggestion though!
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Gotcha, sorry if I missed that in your original post. Theres a couple of used casio EX-FH25 1000fps for $400 then.

http://www.amazon.com/Casio-EX-FH25-10-1MP-Digital-Stabilization/dp/B002YPFKZ4
 
Actually that's not bad... I mean, the 1000fps footage is tiny tiny -- 224 x 64 pixels ... but it's 1000 fps, for $399... I'll have to see if I can find some video samples to see what it looks like. Thanks for the link!
 
EX-FH25 video doesn't look too good at 1000 fps. Super-pixellated mosquito noise all over it. Hoping that the next generation will be cleaner.

Still waiting to find out about the new JVC; it sure does look like it's the queen of the ball right now, if its 1000 fps footage is cleaner and less compressed than the Casio...
 
I have the JVC PX10 and the fastest it can shoot is 300fps, and it's in low rez and looks like crap on a big monitor.

If the new PX100 can shoot at a higher frame rate in HD, even only 120fps, then it's a big improvement. Plus, it has an optional EVF, which I find I desperately need as I get older.
 
Hey... how come I didn't know about this? Nikon 1 ... does 400 fps in 640x240, and 1200 fps in 320x120. That's 20% faster, and 2.7x larger, than the Casio.

Haven't seen any really good looking 1200fps videos though... seems like most youtube folks want to shoot 400fps and seem to ignore the 1200fps option. Saw a few clips of 1200fps, it didn't look all that good, but looked better than the Casio because at least it wasn't macroblocked and mosquito-noised to death.
 
The Mikrotron EoSens 4CXP would be the perfect camera for you, if you were willing to spend close to $12k.

563fps at 2336 x 1728, 900fps at 1920 x 1080, 1349fps at 1280 x 720. It can go all the way up to 300,000fps at reduced resolutions. All global shutter too. Comes in C-mount or Nikon F-mount. Image sensor diagonal is 20.34mm, so essentially it is a 4/3" sensor, although technically just slightly under.

Crazy little camera. Expensive though, and would require a frame grabber, meaning a desktop computer or an external PCIe setup with a laptop.
 
5 seconds? Ack. That's not all that practical. I hadn't heard that. Oh well... Wish that limitation wasn't there... 1200fps for $349 was looking pretty tasty!
 
The EoSens is interesting but ultimately drastically too expensive for this project. That's a huge sensor; I'd be fine with a 1/3" version.

If I opened up the field to include computer-connected cameras, is there anything compelling in the >1000 fps, <$1000 price bracket?
 
I don't believe you will find any camera that has even 720p and more than 400fps for less than $2k. Hell, finding one that can do over 200fps and 720p for under $2k is difficult.

We need to hire some computer engineers to build us such a camera!

There is another company called Optronis which uses the same sensor as Mikrotron, in a camera called the CL4000CXP, and another company called VDS which was bought out by AVT (Allied Vision Technologies) uses it in a camera called the CMC-4000, now called the Bonito CL400. The sensor is called the AM41 image sensor. Trying to find prices for these cameras, but I'm guessing they won't be under $8k.

Unfortunately, I can't really find an option for you in the industrial camera world.
 
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