HF10 settings for gritty 60's/70's film look?

[Starshine Video]

I realize that this is not really going to be the forte of this little camera but for a lot of different reasons this is what we are shooting on. I was wondering if anyone had gone for this type of look with an HF10 and if so could you please give me some tips on settings and such. Also I am aware that a bit of post processing will be needed tips on that would also be appreciated.

The "template" that we are using right now is the 1971 version of "Get Carter" starring Michael Caine.

Thanks a lot!

 

[t-unit]

Try to shoot as flat as possible, and then create the look in post. It looks like you can adjust saturation down a little bit, and crush the blacks a little bit. Also i looks like its a little tint off green/blue in the last picture

 

[PerroneFord]

I would say to try and worry about camera stuff in camera, and "look" stuff in post. If you shoot relatively flat, you can move your images around as you like in terms of color.

But pay attention to how you shoot. There wasn't a lot of mobile camera in this era. So you'll see a lot of fairly static compositions. Film wasn't highly saturated so low contrast carries the day. The depth of field was not super shallow. Film was more grainy.

Actually, the limited dynamic range of your current camera may actually help you get closer to your desired look.

 

[Starshine Video]

Thanks guys, those were kind of my thoughts. I actually kinda like the little Hf10. I have really only played around with it, but it seems to be quite capable. I sold my JVC HD110 about a month ago, it would have been perfect for this kind of film. I just hadn't had a real need for it for several months.

 

[FilmLookexpert]

Re:HF10 settings for gritty 60's/70's film look?

First thing if you want a film look with the camera no color correction with the HF-10.First you must set the camera to 24fps,crank the shutter speed up to 1/50 or 1/120 or 1/250 or 1/500 or 1/1000 or 1/2000 you can choose any shutter speeds you like with the camera.Secondly keep everything in focus,you dont need the depth of field with the HF-10.Thirdly point the lens of your camera directly to a light or something but not too bright,zero your brightness down from the camcorder,turn your gain up to +3db.So when you go outside and shoot your film,shoot in areas that have less lighting.Then correct the contrast in post.Vice Versa if you want to have a film look in brighter or darker areas such as indoor scenes point your camera directly to light make sure your light is not too bright,turn the gain down to -3db that should give you a gritty filmic look(this will not give you a 100% film look,but the majority is to do a little of color adjustments in post).


PS:if your indoor scenes are too dark do basic three point lighting.

 

[PerroneFord]

Wow, that's a hack of a first post. LOL...

First thing if you want a film look with the camera no color correction with the HF-10.First you must set the camera to 24fps,crank the shutter speed up to 1/50 or 1/120 or 1/250 or 1/500 or 1/1000 or 1/2000 you can choose any shutter speeds you like with the camera.Secondly keep everything in focus,you dont need the depth of field with the HF-10.Thirdly point the lens of your camera directly to a light or something but not too bright,turn the gain up to +3db.So when you go outside and shoot your film,shoot in areas that have less lighting.Then correct the contrast in post.Vice Versa if you want to have a film look in brighter or darker areas such as indoor scenes point your camera directly to light make sure your light is not too bright,turn the gain down to -3db that should give you a gritty filmic look(this will not give you a 100% film look,but the majority is to do a little of color adjustments in post).


PS:if your indoor scenes are too dark do basic three point lighting.

 

[Chamber005]

First thing if you want a film look with the camera no color correction with the HF-10.First you must set the camera to 24fps,crank the shutter speed up to 1/50 or 1/120 or 1/250 or 1/500 or 1/1000 or 1/2000 you can choose any shutter speeds you like with the camera.Secondly keep everything in focus,you dont need the depth of field with the HF-10.Thirdly point the lens of your camera directly to a light or something but not too bright,turn the gain up to +3db.So when you go outside and shoot your film,shoot in areas that have less lighting.Then correct the contrast in post.Vice Versa if you want to have a film look in brighter or darker areas such as indoor scenes point your camera directly to light make sure your light is not too bright,turn the gain down to -3db that should give you a gritty filmic look(this will not give you a 100% film look,but the majority is to do a little of color adjustments in post).


PS:if your indoor scenes are too dark do basic three point lighting.

Shutter speed? So your advice is to shoot in TV mode, not cine mode?

The tip about the AP is wicked, though! When you switch from auto to manual I had no idea that it made a difference if you were pointed at a light source or not, I just assumed +3 was the max. Turns out it's like +11 (though I'm assuming it's just breaking the AP down into smaller "segments"?) And you're saying to have the aperture on "auto" when you point it at the light and then switch to manual (which gives you the greater range of choices, and from that choose +3, correct?)

I'm shooting in black and white with my HF20s, but this technique is still handy.

The shutter speed is another animal entirely. I saw what you meant by cranking it to 1/2000 outside, but I could not make it work at all while indoors.

I'd love to hear more details about how you feel shutter speed affects overall presentation to create a more "filmic" look as I've always understood filmic to be as close to 1/48 as possible.

 

[FilmLookexpert]

Re: HF10 settings for gritty 60's/70's film look?

{''I saw what you meant by cranking it to 1/2000 outside, but I could not make it work at all while indoors.''}




Well if you have any problems shooting 1/2000 indoors,turn the gain down to -3db in indoor scenes.Believe me i've had the same problems shooting 1/2000 indoors.Turning the gain to -3db down really works in subdued lighting from indoor scenes and also shooting with -3db gain provides you a noise-free image when shooting with 1/2000 Indoors.If your indoor scenes are too dark then I suggest get more lighting into your indoor scenes,this was a camera technique used in the hit 2009 action movie starring Jason Statham Crank 2:High Voltage which was shot entirely with Canon HF-10's and Canon Xh a1's with shutter speeds of 1/1000 & 1/2000 indoors and outdoors,the resulting indoor scenes shot with the HF-10 in this movie were so crisp,clean and great.Buy the dvd or blu ray of the movie yourself and watch it.The results of the indoor scenes are so brilliant when shot with the HF-10 with 1/2000 Tv shutter mode.If you cant watch the movie then check out the trailer.

PS Don't shoot in cine mode it will cause motion blur in your video!!!!

 

[Rippie]

*chuckle*

 

[Nathyn]

If your indoor scenes are too dark then I suggest get more lighting into your indoor scenes,this was a camera technique used in the hit 2009 action movie starring Jason Statham Crank 2:High Voltage which was shot entirely with Canon HF-10's and Canon Xh a1's with shutter speeds of 1/1000 & 1/2000 indoors and outdoors,the resulting indoor scenes shot with the HF-10 in this movie were so crisp,clean and great.Buy the dvd or blu ray of the movie yourself and watch it.The results of the indoor scenes are so brilliant when shot with the HF-10 with 1/2000 Tv shutter mode.If you cant watch the movie then check out the trailer.

I watched Cr2nk just to see the look of it and I loved look and how it was shot. Is this possible with an HG10 as opposed to an HF10? And would you also suggest shooting with TV mode on that as well?

-Nate