HDMI Atomos Ninja Hard Disk Recorder 795$

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Recording in ProRes 422 10 bit trough HDMI only
2.5 SSD or Harddrive hot swap
LANC Display and hot swap LiOn SONY
Good new toy shipping december
http://atomos.com/
Supported Input Formats HD
1080i59.94
1080i50
1080p24
1080p23.98
720p59.94
720p50
SD 480i 576i

NINJA SPECS
Dimensions (without Batteries) 112(W)x83(H)x40(D)mm
Power Operating Power : approx 6.8W (screen on)
Operating Power : approx 6.3W (screen off)
Batteries
2x Small Battery Packs 31.7 Wh 4.5 hrs recording
2x Medium Battery Packs 63.4 Wh 9 hrs recording
2x Large Battery Packs 126.7 Wh 18 hrs recording
Automatic and manual switchover of battery for continuous operation
Colour 16:9 TFT Touch Screen
Size 4.3” diagonal
Resolution 480x270
Aspect Ratio 16:9 Native / 4:3 Letterbox
Video Input HDMI Uncompressed
Supported Input Formats HD 1080i59.94, 1080i50, 1080p24, 1080p23.98, 720p59.94, 720p50, SD 480i, 576i
Recording Time
HDD SSD
300GB 500GB 750GB 128GB 256GB
all video input formats supported
ProResHQ 3hrs 5hrs 7.5hrs 77min 2.5hrs
ProRes422 4.5hrs 7.5hrs 11.5hrs 2hrs 4hrs
ProResLT 6.5hrs 11hrs 16.5hrs 3hrs 4.5hrs
Audio Input HDMI 2 Channel or 6 Channel Embedded
Line In 2 Channel Line Level Audio. Analog gain adjustment
Audio Output 2 Channel 0.5W Balanced Headphone or Line level output.
LANC LANC In and Out for integration with Camera LANC and Accessories
LANC Controller feature
LANC Loop feature
MASTER CADDY SPECS
Dimensions 74x101x12mm
Supported Storage 2.5” SSD or HDD minimum 5400rpm
Standard 9.5mm height or slimmer drive supported
Master Caddy Dock 2.5” SATA to Firewire 800, USB2/3 and e-SATA
Supported Computers (for SATA adapter) Mac - All MacBook, MacPro, iMac and MacPro Models
Windows All USB2/3 or e Sata compatible Notebooks, and Desktops.
Note: Apple ProRes Quicktime Application required to run ProRes on Windows
Applications Final Cut Studio – All Apple ProRes supported versions
Quicktime Mac and Windows
Accessories Universal Battery Charger 110-240V
Tripod Screw mounts and adaptors
Protective cases and Travel Bags
 
This guys badly need 1080p50 and 1080p60 support.
As all modern cameras will be shotting in this format (GH2, AF-100, few other uncoming models).
 
If they made a Cineform version, I would buy it. Does it record uncompressed or H264? Or is it ProRes only...
 
The deal beaker for me is no 1080 25p for pal countries. They are neglecting a big part of the world with this...
 
"The Ninja by-passes in-camera compression to record your pristine, uncompressed images straight from the HDMI connector of your DSLR or camcorder directly to Apple ProRes – while you’re recording!"

Do they know something we don't? Since when do the VDSLRs output full HD through HDMI?
 
SPZ said:
The deal beaker for me is no 1080 25p for pal countries. They are neglecting a big part of the world with this...
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...i have the same problem I live in Switzerland only 1080i, maybe they knitting later a firmware upgrade ?
 
The marketing copy on this device would make one believe dSLRs output flawless HDMI that can actually be recorded. This is generally not true.
 
Correction price is 1001$ and 795 Euro
HDMI 1.3 is deep Color
And ists not so easy to get full HD:
Canon 5d is not HD only SD whyle you recording trough the HDMI Output
Canon 7D is not 1920 x 1080 HDMI during recording the Picture is smaller and you see the AF Box in white plus Red dot recorded
Sony Nex 5 have HDMI Output with the Red dot recorded
SONY NEX 10 can recorded witout the red dot, as far as I know
 
SPZ said:
The deal beaker for me is no 1080 25p for pal countries. They are neglecting a big part of the world with this...
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If it can do 1080i50, it can do 1080p25.

It would be the same as any camera that can record 30p within 60i.
 
I have talked to those guys during IBC.
Their comment regarding a "cineform version": They have no way to verify how popular cineform really is. So for now they will NOT invest in a new architecture only pro res.
I have also mentioned the misleading info regarding VDSLR HDMI output.

Thanks.

Johnnie
 
OPHERBA said:
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I have also mentioned the misleading info regarding VDSLR HDMI output.

Thanks.

Johnnie
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So what did they have to say about this? I find this a very unethical business practice, some poor shmuck may buy it, not having enough knowledge, only to find out later that their VDSLR won't output full HD through HDMI.
 
I have spend 30 minutes talking and listening to the company CEO (the company is made of 2 people. Him and his marketing partner).

All I can say is: I wish them good luck.

J.
 
agcohn said:
If it can do 1080i50, it can do 1080p25.

It would be the same as any camera that can record 30p within 60i.
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Not necessarily. DVCPRO HD, for example, recorded 1080 50i, and panasonic had to do some sort of recording trickery for the dvcpro HD capture 25p. 1080 25p native is different than 1080 50i 25, if not for memory space sake.
 
SPZ said:
Not necessarily. DVCPRO HD, for example, recorded 1080 50i, and panasonic had to do some sort of recording trickery for the dvcpro HD capture 25p. 1080 25p native is different than 1080 50i 25, if not for memory space sake.
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Why would the memory space requirements for 1080i50 be any different from 1080p25?

I could be wrong, but it seems like the exact same amount of lines are being recorded in either case.

It is not like the difference between 1080i60 and native 1080p24, where pull-down frames have to be recorded in order to fit the 24 frames within the 60 fields.


But that is completely different from Panasonic having to redesign their camera to output 1080p25. Obviously the camera has to know how to output the 1080p25 as 1080i50.
 
doesn't look like there is LTC connection or am i wrong? if no, then that's a deal breaker right there, plus it looks like it's using consumer grade touch screen at this price point. Good luck with that in the extreme cold and heat. Ever try using a touch screen phone when it's below 0 outside... give me buttons any day.
 
OPHERBA said:
I have spend 30 minutes talking and listening to the company CEO (the company is made of 2 people. Him and his marketing partner).

All I can say is: I wish them good luck.

J.
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On their website (bottom) it says it's a registered Hong Kong company... are those two guys Europeans or Chinese/Honkis? I've sent them a email to get some more insight and see if I can get a demo sample for a review.

What I also find a bit strange is that they basically say CF cards are not good enough for high bitrate recording to such a device. Apparently it's good enough for the likes of Nanoflash and co. Really would love to get hands on one to see how well it works with different kinds of cameras.
 
agcohn said:
Why would the memory space requirements for 1080i50 be any different from 1080p25?

I could be wrong, but it seems like the exact same amount of lines are being recorded in either case.

It is not like the difference between 1080i60 and native 1080p24, where pull-down frames have to be recorded in order to fit the 24 frames within the 60 fields.


But that is completely different from Panasonic having to redesign their camera to output 1080p25. Obviously the camera has to know how to output the 1080p25 as 1080i50.
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What you says makes sense, I'm no engineer, but I think there's something else going on in the recording codec part. In FCP, there are specific settings for Prores 1080 50i and prores 1080 25p, for example. Now would be a good time for someone more in the know of engineering and codecs to shime in :)

You raise a very good question: The AF100 records 1080 25p, but does it output 1080 25p on hdmi and hd-sdi?
 
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