Have $2k, I refuse to spend!

The AG-DRM1000.

3 x 3" 3840×2160 120P Native CCD. 4 Channel XLR inputs. 3D Capable. Selectable DoF based on resolution and a revolutionary lens mount design that changes DoF by changing lens distance from CCD.
 
Denwa said:
The AG-DRM1000.

3 x 3" 3840×2160 120P Native CCD. 4 Channel XLR inputs. 3D Capable. Selectable DoF based on resolution and a revolutionary lens mount design that changes DoF by changing lens distance from CCD.
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Two CCDs of that size for 3D could melt the camera case the moment you turn it on! Eeeeeek. :violent5:
 
Paul V Doherty said:
Amen to that!
Improving the encoded image is the main issue with the current generation.
There's no question that the sensors are more than adequete for true full HD, it's just the codecs and storage that are the weak link at present.
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No, it's the imaging hardware, the sensor and image processor. There's nothing significantly wrong with the codecs and storage at present. Rolling shutter artifacts and aliasing are caused by the imaging hardware.
 
I'm quite amazed how many people have jumped on the DSLR band wagon. I've had an Indie director tell me his Canon 7D was better quality for lower price than my HMC150 and he will be filming his feature with it.
 
Denwa said:
I'm quite amazed how many people have jumped on the DSLR band wagon. I've had an Indie director tell me his Canon 7D was better quality for lower price than my HMC150 and he will be filming his feature with it.
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There are two philosophies people seem to be falling into with regard to these HDSLRs. One involves overall image quality and the other image characteristics.

The people who tend to "not understand" the HDSLR bandwagon are those that seem to subscribe most to the former. Overall image quality. Whereas a lot of artist types seems to subscribe to the latter. Image characteristics.

Personally I've always said, give me a camera that shoots movies with a look that mirrors 35mm film, even if it records to VHS. So I would fit into the Image Characteristics category. While I do care about quality, it takes a backseat to being able to tell my story with a certain characteristic look that I'm after.

I would assume that the Indie Director you talked to was probably trying to convey this idea but wrongly used the words "better quality" to describe it.
 
Denwa said:
Are you going to review the Scarlet when it is released Barry?
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Better question is "are you going to still be alive to review the Scarlet when it is finally released"

Earlier in the thread Barry mentioned the idea of the Dream Cam. I think for many of us that was the promise of the 3K for $3K fixed lens Scarlet from 2 years ago but sadly it was only a dream that didn't come to market quickly enough and the world changed around Red making that dream obsolete.
 
I will of course be getting a Scarlet when it's released, whenever my number comes up. At least, that's the plan at this time, unless they announce something on November 30th that makes me change my mind.
 
Fixed lens or whichever is released first?
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I no longer think in those terms. I don't know what they will release, I don't think the "fixed lens" or other things we've heard about even have any bearing on reality anymore. Of the prior list, the only one that made sense to me was the S35, anything less and I was scratching my head wondering what's the point? The S35 looked like a hot little number, although the price tag will play a factor as well. If the S35 ends up looking 10% better than my 7D, but it's 10x the price, then I may pass. If it's 3x better than the 7D at 4x the price, I'll buy the first one they make.

But again, right now, I look at Scarlet as nothing more than a brand name. They've told us a million times that "everything changes" and I now believe them. Everything you thought you knew is out the window; it's no longer a "pocket professional" camera, it's not "3K for $3K", it's not for Soccer Moms and it's not going to be sold at Best Buy. It now looks to me (from what we last saw) that it will be a less-expensive Epic, needing comparable accessorization.

But, again, I'm not even thinking about it until November 30th. Any brainpower spent chasing that particular moving target has turned out to be fruitless energy expended; they have changed it completely at least 3 times now, so now I just wait contentedly to see what they will introduce, and I'll evaluate it on its merits at that point. In the meantime I've bought an HPX170, an HMC150, an HMC40, a GH1 and a 7D, and I probably will get others as technology develops and things get better and better. Waiting for something else to come along is just silly, when there are fantastic products available today and work that can be done right now.

And while the November 30th announcement will be interesting, I'm not going to get invested in whatever they say until the product is actually shipping, because frankly, we've been here before, and everything changed before, who's to say it won't all change again?
 
I have till January before I give up on waiting for the best bang for your buck HDSLR.


And while i'm hoping for a mirrorless system camera that surpasses the GH1 (Ricoh, E-P2, Samsung NX in the running) so I can use the viewfinder proper, if Sony's 14mp FF camera does video with full manual controls, I'm in too. All rumors so far, however.

Else, it's trade-in 5D hellp 5Dmkii with 24p
 
There's nothing significantly wrong with the codecs and storage at present.
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I disagree. Using a codec that few computers can play back or edit in real time is ridiculous. Also the quality of the codec is nowhere near the higher standard HD formats like DVCPROHD.

The codec department on the HDSLR needs a major improvement.
 
PH mode on an HMC150 looks good. But then, they don't have PH mode in an DSLR do they?
 
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Paul V Doherty said:
BTW your assumption about my understanding of r&d and production costs is both impertinent and evidence of hubris beyond pardon.
Your impertinece is duly noted
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Don't take this the wrong way. I would be interested in your level understanding of R&D in the HDSLR global market. Perhaps you would be willing to post a resume highlighting your experiences in the field. This may help us all better understand the basis of your position.
 
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