Have $2k, I refuse to spend!

Everytime I want something and it finally comes out, there's usually something cheaper and newer that I want. LOL. When the Sony FX100 came out I wanted a camera that looked like it but did 24p, then the Canon A1 came our and the Sony FX1000 (which looks almost exactly like the FX100) but now I'm looking at small tapeless solutions. Right now I want something like the JVC HM100 in an FX100 body. LOL. That would be perfect for about $3500 or a JVC HM100 type camera in an HG10 body for about $900. I'd grab that ASAP. But right now it's really between the HG10 and the HV30.

-Nate
 
Paul seriously...do you understand VDSLRs at all? Let's go back to why they exist...

Marketing firms wanted Canon and Nikon to add video functionality to their DSLRs so they didn't have to hire a photojournalist and videographer. And since these cameras have great sensors, they ended up having great videos.

Then indiefilmmakers came along and saw the potential and started gobbling them up. Canon has been the only company to respond to the demand by adding custom controls to 5D and added functionality to the 7D and 1D.

Nikon still says that their customer base doesn't care about video so don't even look at them to release anything with XLR or video camera ergonomics. Canon is the only VDLSR manufacturer with good experience in video cameras.

But that said, their H1 and A1 series of cameras are still selling great. VDSLRs are a new technology and trying to implement them into a camcorder will take some time. A big limitation is processor power. The Digic IV doesn't have what is needed to have all the framerates, autofocus, etc. that we would need from a solid camcorder.

Instead, look at the VDSLR as the rest of us do. A shrunken DOF rig. DOF rigs use SLR lenses, don't have fluid zoom control, need manual focus, etc. But VDSLRs are better because of their picture quality and low light capabilities.

We are in the midst of a change in technology. Enjoy advancement instead of demanding your opinion.
 
NextWaveG said:
Canon has been the only company to respond to the demand by adding custom controls to 5D and added functionality to the 7D and 1D.
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??? The GH1 is more video-camera-like than any of the Canons.

Canon is the only VDLSR manufacturer with good experience in video cameras.
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Instead, look at the VDSLR as the rest of us do. A shrunken DOF rig. DOF rigs use SLR lenses, don't have fluid zoom control, need manual focus, etc. But VDSLRs are better because of their picture quality and low light capabilities.
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Yep, shrunken in size, shrunken in price, and shrunken in hassle.
 
Sorry Barry, you're right. I've owned a D90 and now a 5D MkII and sometimes I forget about the GH1. I just know a few people who weren't satisfied with the compression and DOF so the GH1 was never an option to me.

But to continue one of my previous points, don't expect Nikon to do any camcorder manufacturing. Panasonic, Canon, & Sony will be the ones to look at.

...but I don't think it will be under $5k...it'll be a lot closer to $10k. Look at the EX3 or H1 for reference. A camcorder with DSLR sensor would be a "hi-end" model and probably be in the "hi-end" price range.

So in the end, Paul, don't wave your $3k in front of Canon, Nikon, etc. thinking your idea is so perfect and they are stupid. If you want a VDSLR sensor, buy a 5D or the like. If you want a camcorder, buy a HVX200 or the like.
 
Well, I agree with what you're saying. Nikon doesn't currently have a video division, and I don't expect them to create one just to cater to the (relatively) few of us who want a digi-cinema camera.

Canon could, with an XLH2-type of camera, but even the 1/3" XLH1A is $5,000; don't expect a cinema-ized version to be any less, certainly.

Panasonic has been prodded plenty of times about the GHX100 prototype, but I sure wouldn't expect that at DSLR pricing.

And Sony -- so far, they haven't got an SLR to base any prosumer video camera from. That may change on the 18th, if the rumors about an SLR announcement are correct.
 
with the 1DsmkIV shooting FULL 5k raw 12 fps, that is halfway to 24p. I would wager Canon is only a 1-2 years away from having the bandwidth/throughput to shoot 24fps. The datarate would be 400 megabytes/sec if you stored it as raw images though, so that would need a $2000 of raid flash array to handle and really isn't feasible.

When I think about the sensor MUST have the bandwidth, it can't be the limit if it can burst 8 20 meg raw frames a second for 2-3 seconds. That 160 megabytes of image data per second, what is limiting is either flash drive speed of 30 megabytes a sec or the processor. And since the 5.5 megabyte sec video out is 1/6 the full data rate of a class 6 card, THAT is not the limit either. That leaves the processor, Follow moores law and in two years max canon will have the ability. Every thing else equal, with double the processing power, I imagine you can cut the pixel binning in half, and get a video image twice as sharp ending all this ALIASING controversy.
 
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