Has the sudden spike in HDSLR's been the death toll for 35mm adapters

I personally could never see going back to an adapter. A waste of time and nothing but headaches. The 7D has made a world of difference in both quality and ease of use. My set is much more simplified and not over-crowded with a gazillion hot light sets.
 
Yeah, 35mm Adapter days are numbered. More so with the new Red cameras coming out. For the cost of a 35mm adapter (which were too pricey imo). But it all depends what your budget is and what your willing to work with. Me I'm happy with my choice of 7d; yes rolling shutter is an issue. I have learned to work around this issue

You just have to learn to work with what you got.

But isn't that true of making any film? Solving problems on set and figuring out this and that.

Isn't a 35mm adapter just that? A solution to a problem. You can't afford the big boys so you buy the more affordable camera and want the highend features. Then buy solutions to get those features. Here comes 5D and 7D. We get DoF but get a new problem. Now we need another solution. lol It never ends.
 
Grimreach said:
Yeah, 35mm Adapter days are numbered. More so with the new Red cameras coming out. For the cost of a 35mm adapter (which were too pricey imo). But it all depends what your budget is and what your willing to work with. Me I'm happy with my choice of 7d; yes rolling shutter is an issue. I have learned to work around this issue

You just have to learn to work with what you got.

But isn't that true of making any film? Solving problems on set and figuring out this and that.

Isn't a 35mm adapter just that? A solution to a problem. You can't afford the big boys so you buy the more affordable camera and want the highend features. Then buy solutions to get those features. Here comes 5D and 7D. We get DoF but get a new problem. Now we need another solution. lol It never ends.
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Art will always be made no matter what the technology involved.

I saw a documentary about a Japanese-American photographer who was sent to an Internment camp during World War II. He was forbidden to bring his cameras inside, but he smuggled in a lens and built a camera out of materials within the camp.
 
In my world 35mm adaptors are dead. Not to be cruel but I'm glad to see them go. I've shot some stunning footage on them but the biggest issue I had aside from light loss was reliability. Every single one I owned, I always wondered in the back of my mind when would I have to perform on set triage while the client looks at their watch. I got rid of my last adaptor about five months ago and never looked back. I have a RED and a 7D now and it's great to have gear I can rely on. The RED 1 will soon be obsolete until I get the chip update and the 7D goes out all the time for certain type of shoots. Overall, I like the 7D pic quality much better than anything I shot with an adaptor and much more easy to use. All I can say, is thank God the 35mm adaptor days are done.
 
Tim Naylor said:
Every single one I owned, I always wondered in the back of my mind when would I have to perform on set triage while the client looks at their watch.
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But, apparently, that was more of a fear of yours than an actual issue.

What happens when your 7D overheats and you have to let it cool while your client looks at his/her watch?
 
Did anyone ever use the zoom on the hvx with lens adapter? (HVX zoom that is) I used it all the time and it was great! Was on a dslr music vid shoot the other day and found myself wanting to use that function a lot..as well as doing whip pans and tilts that I wouldn't dare go near on the T2i. I shot this on lens adapter and realized I could never achieve these results with a dslr.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KI9U0GJlqM0
 
subtleinspiration said:
But, apparently, that was more of a fear of yours than an actual issue.

What happens when your 7D overheats and you have to let it cool while your client looks at his/her watch?
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Sorry I didn't mention this is based on experience not irrational fears. I wasn't about to name names (they know who they are). It was reality on several occasions. I've used all of them and owned almost all the brand names , except Cinemek and PS (extremely reliable). They've all had a pretty unacceptable failure rate for a "pro" client work. Cooling a 7D down is a lot less nerve racking then having to take apart and rebuild an adaptor on set because of dust, loose connection, etc. I can tell you some stories how I became master at the fine art of soldering shitty connections or making dust free rooms out of thin air or how to leave the house without a full Allen set is suicide.

I shoot mostly narrative and overheat is never an issue. As long as you keep your takes under 12 min you're fine. When it does shut down. Re-boot, no big deal.

Of all the adaptors I've used the one with the most incomparable image was the Ultimate. At the price of two 7D's.....
 
BWyldeck said:
Did anyone ever use the zoom on the hvx with lens adapter? (HVX zoom that is) I used it all the time and it was great! Was on a dslr music vid shoot the other day and found myself wanting to use that function a lot..as well as doing whip pans and tilts that I wouldn't dare go near on the T2i. I shot this on lens adapter and realized I could never achieve these results with a dslr.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KI9U0GJlqM0
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This is definitely the feature I'll miss the most. Being able to make variable primes out of your set of cheap nikons was a great feature. You could cover your range with just three lenses. Oh well.
 
subtleinspiration said:
But, apparently, that was more of a fear of yours than an actual issue.

What happens when your 7D overheats and you have to let it cool while your client looks at his/her watch?
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I've had a 7D overheat a handful of times - never took more than a 30-60 second break before starting up again without any problems. Clients have never known there was a problem.

Add me to the list of those who agree the adapter days are over.
I sold my Letus the day I preordered my 7D - haven't looked back, and haven't regretted it for a second.
 
Personally, I'm just overwhelmed by the big image in a small package of dslr's. I just finished operating for one of the biggest commercial DP's...on a 7D! Oh yes, the Big Boys have taken notice...
 
For the price of an average 35mm adapter, you can get the T2i body. For a good-great 35mm adapter, you can get the T2i body and a great lens too. I have nothing against 35mm adapters (they are great and serve their purpose quite fine) but you can achieve so much more with so much less.= with the new DSLRs. I was looking at getting the letus with some lenses for about $2100. Thank goodness I couldn't afford it then. I just got the T2i with a nice 17-55mm 2.8 lens and I can't say enough great things about it. Total price was the same as the used letus exactly... only one's a lot more portable.
 
Someone mentioned more resolution with an adapter than with a dslr!
No way! The dslr chip is larger than 1/3". And it resolves an aerial image.

With an adapter, light must first enter the lens, then be projected onto a small screen then must pass through another lens before contacting the sensor.
Adapters have always been the emperors new clothes. Bokeh fooled a lot of people.

Those who "see the light" will opt for more resolution, the coveted shallow DOF and amazing low light capabilities.
 
I don't know about you guys, but I can now get a very similar final product for $900 (BARELY in my price range). This would have only been a pipe dream for a 24 year old college student because I don't have the money for a camera, adapter, lens, etc. I have it all for under a grand. So for somebody like me, your answer is yes.
 
subtleinspiration said:
Only for stills...in video you get about 600 lines of resolution, the rest is aliasing.
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Not sure what you mean. The 200 and 170 don't shoot stills, no comparison.
The chips might give you 600 lines, but those little screens in adapters do not.
There is not a direct pixel to pixel transfer of information from that little screen to the chip. Essentially the information on the screen is analog, no pixels.
 
jimpatro said:
Not sure what you mean. The 200 and 170 don't shoot stills, no comparison.
The chips might give you 600 lines, but those little screens in adapters do not.
There is not a direct pixel to pixel transfer of information from that little screen to the chip. Essentially the information on the screen is analog, no pixels.
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I've already posted chart tests on this topic. The current DSLRs is NOT sharper than a pro grade camcorder+prograde lens adapter. It only seems so. But not in reality.

I'm talking about DSLRs (7d, 5d) in video mode not stills mode.

Here it is. I'm NOT saying DSLRs are not worthy, they are. I use them. Just setting record straight regarding what they are and what they arent.

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i guess the tiny sony proves that arguing about sharpness is a moot point .... It that was the only and sole factor in the decision process then we would all be using tiny sonys
 
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