Hands on experience with Canon 5D Mark II

http://patrykrebisz.wordpress.com/2009/09/23/hands-on-experience-with-canon-d5-mark-ii/

(the link has all the pics)

I got my hands on the new Canon 5D Mark II that came equipped with every pro Canon lens you can imagine, plenty of batteries and cards and a photographer (my friend, the owner) eager to help out and learn a bit about filmmaking.

I really wanted to see how this camera would perform under the stress of on-location shooting rather than on a simple test shoot, so I decided to ask my actress friend to come over and do a short film.

The set-up was pretty basic. The camera on top of Bogen HDV501 head. The camera was mounted to some basic rails to support an HD monitor (with HDMI connection) – in this case Ikan V5600 5.6″. From my experience of working with HD I knew that 5.6″will be too small for really exact focus but it should be “good enough” for the purpose of this test.

After a few initial mess-ups (we had to run and purchase HDMI to Mini HDMI adapter at the local electronics stor as the Canon has Mini HDMI out) we were up and running. I had Zoom H4 recorder installed on top of the camera to record the audio with a simple hand clap used as the sync slate.

Working with the camera was wonderful as right away we were seeing a great image. Then… When I pressed the record button I was surprised as the HDMI output started outputting an SD signal rather than HD that it was while in the stand-by mode. In other words no “run and gun” abilities with this rig as there is simply no way of focusing by looking at the image (ANYBODY that tells you that you “kinda can” with the SD signal doesn’t have enough on-set real-life experience). SUCKS!

We kept the focus on the shots where the actress was moving back and forth by marking the lens and pulling the focus the traditional way rather than by looking at the monitor.

Here another thing became very apparent. The camera is so lightweight that if not properly stabilized while pulling focus you run into a possibility of taping the body thus shaking the image. I would say this minus can be a real plus too as the rig is very portable.

Watching the images on a large flat screen TV I noticed another major issue, the image compression. The camera uses H264 compression which in my view is heavier than your standard fare HDV compression. The circuitry the camera uses has to very “simple” as the image does look compressed (at times very heavily). So if you are thinking of doing a heavy color grading in the post you might not have enough information before it becomes noticeable. In other words get the image to be as close to what you want in camera otherwise the compression will eat you alive.

Another thing to consider is that the H264 compression is very dependent on the amount of movement and details in the shot so if your ISO is too high (even at ISO800 I started noticing some nasty artifacts) the image will degrade even more as high ISO produces lots of moving noise (or tiny details as the compression circuitry sees it as). I probably wouldn’t recommend shooting with anything above ISO 400 if you want to get a clean image.

Another image quality issue I noticed is a significant amount of sharpening (though it tends to be more apparent in some images rather than the other).

After the shoot I rolled a quick clip in the most extreme situation using ISO of 6400. Well, it did produce some kind of image but for sure it wasn’t pretty.

As you might know the camera records 30p (NOT 29.97) which is an issue if you are used to shoot at 24p (the new Canon 7D is coming out with abilities to shoot with variety of different frame rates). The 30p is not a huge deal for me as most of the projects I do get delivered at 29.97 or simply posted to the web, however if you ever wanted to print to film you would run into some issues.

The above is just a list of complains but there are some superb qualities about this camera’s video mode:

– despite the compression and the sharpening the images are beautiful!

– with high latitude in the highlights you really don’t have to worry too much about over exposing your images as you did with regular video

– the camera is tiny and very light so you can move very freely and stuck the body in any place you can image

– the ease of use allows for the shutter, ISO, F stop, white balance adjustment in seconds

Final verdict, when they get the HDMI to output HD signal during recording, I’m getting this baby.
 
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Here another thing became very apparent. The camera is so lightweight that if not properly stabilized while pulling focus you run into a possibility of taping the body thus shaking ..

Hurrah someone tries some 'real shots'

Using the 5d one has to be a stability obsessive

Floppy lenses, bad adapters, a poorly balanced, rig or tripod, any wobbles or loose bits - they will all ruin your day

check my rig (and thoughts) www.halfinchrails.com which is designed with these factors in mind - particularly the FF position

you can get used to the screen on the camera BTW

S
 
yeah

but Ive been using DLSr since 1999 its probably being able to judge the size out of focus areas and knowing the lenses !

a good hd would of course be better !

S
 
err and my prefferd lenses are in the F4/5.6 region
although wide like 80-200 2.8 is OK

50 1.2 is a no go IMO - you have to watch like a hawk just on an interview even around 2.8

overall im just saying that that screen maybe with a loupe device (if you are near the camera) are possiblly the best solutions of a BAD bunch

I assume you are aware (when not recording) of the brilliant 10X zoom function for setting any marks etc

http://www.vimeo.com/6278461 is my best effort a pulling focus, her transiting throught the doorway was rehearsed and marked

the lens is manual nikkor 100-300 5.6 zoom - long smooth focus throw - not like those AF canons

S
 
The oversharpening can be easily dealt with by changing the user profiles or preloading personalized ones.
A Marshall monitor with peaking works well for viewing when shooting.
Otherwise the Magic Lantern hack provides peaking and the latest version will be out soon which has full HDMI support.

Yes, the H.264 compression does suck though. And the artifacts/aliasing is often terrible.
 
"Then… When I pressed the record button I was surprised as the HDMI output started outputting an SD signal rather than HD that it was while in the stand-by mode. In other words no “run and gun” abilities with this rig as there is simply no way of focusing by looking at the image (ANYBODY that tells you that you “kinda can” with the SD signal doesn’t have enough on-set real-life experience). SUCKS!"

Well, Ive got some GOOD news for you. Google a guy named Trammel Hudson or Magic Lantern and the answer to your dilemma will be apparent. He is a talented software engineer who is addressing your issues and many others with some very creative programming of the 5D. I think you will enjoy seeing what he is up to.
 
The camera uses H264 compression which in my view is heavier than your standard fare HDV compression.
Technically speaking, the camera's H.264 compression is actually far lighter than HDV, since it has a much higher bit rate. Compression ratios come from output file size versus input file size.
 
remeber patryk, you can turn off alot of the sharpening by using the "custom presets".

dial back the sharpness and the color a bit and you get much better performance out of the camera.
 
Good to know about the ability to turn off the sharpening.

As far as focusing with any kind of monitor with peaking a just don't see how that would be possible as you are still using SD signal to get the peaked image.

The comment about H264 compression comes from observation. Long time ago i learned not to trust numbers but rather my eyes. So to my eyes the H264 compression of this camera (which i someone already pointed out on paper is more efficient than HDV) is much heavier then any HDV i've dealt with.
 
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