Guide to Video
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Slapdragon
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Re: Guide to Video
[quote author=Arcburn link=board=Events;num=1089245105;start=30#41 date=07/09/04 at 16:41:08]I could do something on working with CG and video. If there is any interest in that. I'm not sure how much depth you would want on the computer graphics side. But I could provide some tips on how to make your CG and life action blend well.[/quote]
How about CG composition, and Photoshop?
[quote author=Arcburn link=board=Events;num=1089245105;start=30#41 date=07/09/04 at 16:41:08]I could do something on working with CG and video. If there is any interest in that. I'm not sure how much depth you would want on the computer graphics side. But I could provide some tips on how to make your CG and life action blend well.[/quote]
How about CG composition, and Photoshop?
Slapdragon
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Re: Guide to Video
[quote author=Arcburn link=board=Events;num=1089245105;start=30#43 date=07/09/04 at 16:52:06]Photoshop, sure. no problem. As far as CG composition, I'm not exactly sure what you are after there. But am certainly game for any CG related topics.
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CG composition would be a section on the basics of how to do CG. It would include the concept of lower thirds and bugs, transparency and how to achieve it, good composition values (what is readable and what is not), how to format full screens, safe title area, and all that sort of stuff.
[quote author=Arcburn link=board=Events;num=1089245105;start=30#43 date=07/09/04 at 16:52:06]Photoshop, sure. no problem. As far as CG composition, I'm not exactly sure what you are after there. But am certainly game for any CG related topics.
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CG composition would be a section on the basics of how to do CG. It would include the concept of lower thirds and bugs, transparency and how to achieve it, good composition values (what is readable and what is not), how to format full screens, safe title area, and all that sort of stuff.
Slapdragon
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J_Barnes
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Hmm...I've got experience in a bunch of different subjects, so I'm not exactly sure what I'd be best for, but I'd certainly be willing to help.
I suppose I have a lot of lighting experience, but I'm also well versed in Camera (video and a lot of film), prepro, production management, music, editing, writing, rewriting, directing and casting.
Although I think editing is my strongest skill, I'm mostly self-taught, and that sort of approach is difficult to teach sometimes. I'm also much more aquainted with the acting side of things (directing, casting, writing for actors, etc.) then most people in this industry due to my three plus years working/teaching at an acting school.
It sounds like a wonderful project that would genuinely be a great gift for the filmmaking world. I certainly think there should be a section devoted to the "talent", ie- casting, directing, dealing with actors...because that's one of the least understood and least taught aspects of the business.
A section devoted to distribution, a section devoted to non-fictional filmmaking (ie- reality programming and documentaries). Also, perhaps a general section on business and law.
Now that I think about it, I think LAW might be the least understood aspect of filmmaking, so if we could find a kind entertainment lawyer to donate some knowledge...we'd be golden.
This seems like the type of project that would be a perfect creativecommons open source web site. It'd be easier to update and keep an HTML site current then it would be to continuously issue revised PDF's...although perhaps a "finalized" annual PDF dump of the entire archive would be a great long-term goal.
Anyways, however youd' like to use me, I'm in.
Hmm...I've got experience in a bunch of different subjects, so I'm not exactly sure what I'd be best for, but I'd certainly be willing to help.
I suppose I have a lot of lighting experience, but I'm also well versed in Camera (video and a lot of film), prepro, production management, music, editing, writing, rewriting, directing and casting.
Although I think editing is my strongest skill, I'm mostly self-taught, and that sort of approach is difficult to teach sometimes. I'm also much more aquainted with the acting side of things (directing, casting, writing for actors, etc.) then most people in this industry due to my three plus years working/teaching at an acting school.
It sounds like a wonderful project that would genuinely be a great gift for the filmmaking world. I certainly think there should be a section devoted to the "talent", ie- casting, directing, dealing with actors...because that's one of the least understood and least taught aspects of the business.
A section devoted to distribution, a section devoted to non-fictional filmmaking (ie- reality programming and documentaries). Also, perhaps a general section on business and law.
Now that I think about it, I think LAW might be the least understood aspect of filmmaking, so if we could find a kind entertainment lawyer to donate some knowledge...we'd be golden.
This seems like the type of project that would be a perfect creativecommons open source web site. It'd be easier to update and keep an HTML site current then it would be to continuously issue revised PDF's...although perhaps a "finalized" annual PDF dump of the entire archive would be a great long-term goal.
Anyways, however youd' like to use me, I'm in.
Slapdragon
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Re: Guide to Video
[quote author=J_Barnes link=board=Events;num=1089245105;start=45#47 date=07/10/04 at 07:07:55]Hmm...I've got experience in a bunch of different subjects, so I'm not exactly sure what I'd be best for, but I'd certainly be willing to help.
I suppose I have a lot of lighting experience, but I'm also well versed in Camera (video and a lot of film), prepro, production management, music, editing, writing, rewriting, directing and casting.
Although I think editing is my strongest skill, I'm mostly self-taught, and that sort of approach is difficult to teach sometimes. I'm also much more aquainted with the acting side of things (directing, casting, writing for actors, etc.) then most people in this industry due to my three plus years working/teaching at an acting school.
It sounds like a wonderful project that would genuinely be a great gift for the filmmaking world. I certainly think there should be a section devoted to the "talent", ie- casting, directing, dealing with actors...because that's one of the least understood and least taught aspects of the business.
A section devoted to distribution, a section devoted to non-fictional filmmaking (ie- reality programming and documentaries). Also, perhaps a general section on business and law.
Now that I think about it, I think LAW might be the least understood aspect of filmmaking, so if we could find a kind entertainment lawyer to donate some knowledge...we'd be golden.
This seems like the type of project that would be a perfect creativecommons open source web site. It'd be easier to update and keep an HTML site current then it would be to continuously issue revised PDF's...although perhaps a "finalized" annual PDF dump of the entire archive would be a great long-term goal.
Anyways, however youd' like to use me, I'm in.[/quote]
Thanks -- I was going to take lighting, but why don't you take that one on. In this system, you need not "limit" yourself as you can essentially write articles. I will be, by tomorrow, writing a guideline for this group effort listing the steps in the process.
Also, a talent section would be wonderful. When looking at what people like and dislike about this thing, and what they demand, I will be collapsing some sections and adding others. As "how to" on acting and talent processes would be wonderful.
I am writing a documentary / ethnographic advanced treatment already, which would work for a distribution section, and think it us a great idea.
If anyone knows an entertainment lawyer willing to donate us some written expertise, it would be welcome.
[quote author=J_Barnes link=board=Events;num=1089245105;start=45#47 date=07/10/04 at 07:07:55]Hmm...I've got experience in a bunch of different subjects, so I'm not exactly sure what I'd be best for, but I'd certainly be willing to help.
I suppose I have a lot of lighting experience, but I'm also well versed in Camera (video and a lot of film), prepro, production management, music, editing, writing, rewriting, directing and casting.
Although I think editing is my strongest skill, I'm mostly self-taught, and that sort of approach is difficult to teach sometimes. I'm also much more aquainted with the acting side of things (directing, casting, writing for actors, etc.) then most people in this industry due to my three plus years working/teaching at an acting school.
It sounds like a wonderful project that would genuinely be a great gift for the filmmaking world. I certainly think there should be a section devoted to the "talent", ie- casting, directing, dealing with actors...because that's one of the least understood and least taught aspects of the business.
A section devoted to distribution, a section devoted to non-fictional filmmaking (ie- reality programming and documentaries). Also, perhaps a general section on business and law.
Now that I think about it, I think LAW might be the least understood aspect of filmmaking, so if we could find a kind entertainment lawyer to donate some knowledge...we'd be golden.
This seems like the type of project that would be a perfect creativecommons open source web site. It'd be easier to update and keep an HTML site current then it would be to continuously issue revised PDF's...although perhaps a "finalized" annual PDF dump of the entire archive would be a great long-term goal.
Anyways, however youd' like to use me, I'm in.[/quote]
Thanks -- I was going to take lighting, but why don't you take that one on. In this system, you need not "limit" yourself as you can essentially write articles. I will be, by tomorrow, writing a guideline for this group effort listing the steps in the process.
Also, a talent section would be wonderful. When looking at what people like and dislike about this thing, and what they demand, I will be collapsing some sections and adding others. As "how to" on acting and talent processes would be wonderful.
I am writing a documentary / ethnographic advanced treatment already, which would work for a distribution section, and think it us a great idea.
If anyone knows an entertainment lawyer willing to donate us some written expertise, it would be welcome.
Slapdragon
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Re: Guide to Video
One thing is, as we go along, we will likely also get people who say, "heck, I know everything about the PD170 and it's manual sucks, can I write a schtick on it?" Once running, there will be lots of space for contributors who even want to write a one page discussion of gels.
One thing is, as we go along, we will likely also get people who say, "heck, I know everything about the PD170 and it's manual sucks, can I write a schtick on it?" Once running, there will be lots of space for contributors who even want to write a one page discussion of gels.
J_Barnes
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Re: Guide to Video
Yeah, guidelines are going to be very important, and probably should be as strict as possible to begin with...
I could see how this idea could quickly change from a central technical guide to a loose article archive. The challenge in editing will be in creating a uniform cohesion to the material so that it doesn't end up being a series of loosely connected articles featuring varied writing styles and randomly interjected opinion.
I might try and write up a how-to for home made dimmers this weekend as practice, but I imagine I'll be stronger editing and vetting articles/direction of content until I get a feel for the style of writing that will best fit the project. My first inclination at the word "article" would be to write in a magazine style, but I'm not so sure that would best fit, as the end goal would probably call for information to be organized more in an open-ended chapter/subject textbook vein then in the concise-article magazine style.
Yes, I look forward to your guidelines Slappy.
Perhaps a second thread should be started on this subject with suggestions of both general and specific information that needs to be covered. Common misconceptions and problems, equipment specific issues, lesser known techniques, etc. All the stuff that we, as starting filmmakers and technicians, encountered early in our careers as gaps in our general knowledge and experience.
For example, I was taught electrical theory in school, but the real practice of it in the field was much more specific then the theory we were taught...and as a gap in my general knowledge, I've never really had to deal with generators on location. Thus, my specific knowledge tells me that tie-ins are very important to know about (but are probably a dangerous subject to cover for legal reasons), and generators and generator operation are subjects that could use some more detailed documentation (hint, hint...volunteers?).
Anyway...good luck Slapdragon, I hope you know what you're getting into as far as spearheading this thing!
Yeah, guidelines are going to be very important, and probably should be as strict as possible to begin with...
I could see how this idea could quickly change from a central technical guide to a loose article archive. The challenge in editing will be in creating a uniform cohesion to the material so that it doesn't end up being a series of loosely connected articles featuring varied writing styles and randomly interjected opinion.
I might try and write up a how-to for home made dimmers this weekend as practice, but I imagine I'll be stronger editing and vetting articles/direction of content until I get a feel for the style of writing that will best fit the project. My first inclination at the word "article" would be to write in a magazine style, but I'm not so sure that would best fit, as the end goal would probably call for information to be organized more in an open-ended chapter/subject textbook vein then in the concise-article magazine style.
Yes, I look forward to your guidelines Slappy.
Perhaps a second thread should be started on this subject with suggestions of both general and specific information that needs to be covered. Common misconceptions and problems, equipment specific issues, lesser known techniques, etc. All the stuff that we, as starting filmmakers and technicians, encountered early in our careers as gaps in our general knowledge and experience.
For example, I was taught electrical theory in school, but the real practice of it in the field was much more specific then the theory we were taught...and as a gap in my general knowledge, I've never really had to deal with generators on location. Thus, my specific knowledge tells me that tie-ins are very important to know about (but are probably a dangerous subject to cover for legal reasons), and generators and generator operation are subjects that could use some more detailed documentation (hint, hint...volunteers?).
Anyway...good luck Slapdragon, I hope you know what you're getting into as far as spearheading this thing!
Slapdragon
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Re: Guide to Video
[quote author=J_Barnes link=board=Events;num=1089245105;start=45#50 date=07/10/04 at 09:58:31]I could see how this idea could quickly change from a central technical guide to a loose article archive. The challenge in editing will be in creating a uniform cohesion to the material so that it doesn't end up being a series of loosely connected articles featuring varied writing styles and randomly interjected opinion.[/quote]
This is my primary task -- trying to keep the disjointed fit together. The model is Linux -- just because someone writes a kitchen sink processor, does not mean one is needed in the main OS (but it may form part of an outbody of information) so the editors try and integrate the smaller work with the larger, and the senior editor (me) tries to keep the whole chaotic mess following a direction. Articles themselves work ok, as long as they are integrated into the text. For example, you and I could work on an electrical theory and practice discussion, which this book should contain. But if we wanted to discuss ways to keep lighting from damaging equipment, for example by tying nots in power cables, then it would be an associated article that referred to the basic document and would be more like a side bar. The electrical section of the lighting chapter would start with theory, and run into practice, and then include the arcane but important, like buying, renting, and running gennys.
Also, as we work on this, it will become apparent where our holes are, and we will be able to track down people to write things we want.
[quote author=J_Barnes link=board=Events;num=1089245105;start=45#50 date=07/10/04 at 09:58:31]Anyway...good luck Slapdragon, I hope you know what you're getting into as far as spearheading this thing!
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Yes, if it follows the Linux model (of course, it will be a much smaller effort). The nice thing about being a professional who became a professor, is that I can have the desire to do this, and as a professor, the opportunity. All professors are expected to publish and perform community service or loose their jobs. Hundreds of professors each year indeed do loose their jobs for not doing these things well. I can argue and that this fufills my need for publication, especially if eventually it gets used and I can get testimonials about its use. I can even devote work time on it. If I can get my students to use it, I may be able to use college resources for it (to a limited extent). So I am in a position to devote the time to this project, even though I could never write it all myself.
[quote author=J_Barnes link=board=Events;num=1089245105;start=45#50 date=07/10/04 at 09:58:31]I could see how this idea could quickly change from a central technical guide to a loose article archive. The challenge in editing will be in creating a uniform cohesion to the material so that it doesn't end up being a series of loosely connected articles featuring varied writing styles and randomly interjected opinion.[/quote]
This is my primary task -- trying to keep the disjointed fit together. The model is Linux -- just because someone writes a kitchen sink processor, does not mean one is needed in the main OS (but it may form part of an outbody of information) so the editors try and integrate the smaller work with the larger, and the senior editor (me) tries to keep the whole chaotic mess following a direction. Articles themselves work ok, as long as they are integrated into the text. For example, you and I could work on an electrical theory and practice discussion, which this book should contain. But if we wanted to discuss ways to keep lighting from damaging equipment, for example by tying nots in power cables, then it would be an associated article that referred to the basic document and would be more like a side bar. The electrical section of the lighting chapter would start with theory, and run into practice, and then include the arcane but important, like buying, renting, and running gennys.
Also, as we work on this, it will become apparent where our holes are, and we will be able to track down people to write things we want.
[quote author=J_Barnes link=board=Events;num=1089245105;start=45#50 date=07/10/04 at 09:58:31]Anyway...good luck Slapdragon, I hope you know what you're getting into as far as spearheading this thing!
[/quote]
Yes, if it follows the Linux model (of course, it will be a much smaller effort). The nice thing about being a professional who became a professor, is that I can have the desire to do this, and as a professor, the opportunity. All professors are expected to publish and perform community service or loose their jobs. Hundreds of professors each year indeed do loose their jobs for not doing these things well. I can argue and that this fufills my need for publication, especially if eventually it gets used and I can get testimonials about its use. I can even devote work time on it. If I can get my students to use it, I may be able to use college resources for it (to a limited extent). So I am in a position to devote the time to this project, even though I could never write it all myself.
Re: Guide to Video
I was just thinking of an idea. Since there are going to be loads of interesting topics, we should split the work into two volumes. That is, one just for camerawork + technical stuff. This would cover camera operation, lighting, cinematography, rigging, etc... All technical stuff.
Then we would have another volume to cover the post production side. That is, editing, visual effects, media animation, etc...
Rather than mix the whole thing into one single book.
What do you guys think?
All the best
Fidel.
I was just thinking of an idea. Since there are going to be loads of interesting topics, we should split the work into two volumes. That is, one just for camerawork + technical stuff. This would cover camera operation, lighting, cinematography, rigging, etc... All technical stuff.
Then we would have another volume to cover the post production side. That is, editing, visual effects, media animation, etc...
Rather than mix the whole thing into one single book.
What do you guys think?
All the best
Fidel.
Slapdragon
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Re: Guide to Video
Gang,
I will be two days further in providing the author guidelines, as I am doing them up as a PDF in a formal manner.
Please e-mail me at snjackson (at) mindspring (dot) com (even if you already have) so I can build the official mailing list, telling me what work you plan on doing, and I will have the initial release out soon.
Steve
Gang,
I will be two days further in providing the author guidelines, as I am doing them up as a PDF in a formal manner.
Please e-mail me at snjackson (at) mindspring (dot) com (even if you already have) so I can build the official mailing list, telling me what work you plan on doing, and I will have the initial release out soon.
Steve
Edalgo_Alvarez
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Re: Guide to Video
*tries to find something to write about*
Well, I've always had a love for writing, so maybe my "thing" should pertain to the fine art of writing. Hmmm.
Edalgo
*tries to find something to write about*
Well, I've always had a love for writing, so maybe my "thing" should pertain to the fine art of writing. Hmmm.
Edalgo
Slapdragon
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Re: Guide to Video
[quote author=Edalgo_Alvarez link=board=Events;num=1089245105;start=45#54 date=07/11/04 at 21:52:55]*tries to find something to write about*
Well, I've always had a love for writing, so maybe my "thing" should pertain to the fine art of writing. Hmmm.
Edalgo[/quote]
Lots of things to do here. How to use a script writing application. Story arc, editing, you name it.
[quote author=Edalgo_Alvarez link=board=Events;num=1089245105;start=45#54 date=07/11/04 at 21:52:55]*tries to find something to write about*
Well, I've always had a love for writing, so maybe my "thing" should pertain to the fine art of writing. Hmmm.
Edalgo[/quote]
Lots of things to do here. How to use a script writing application. Story arc, editing, you name it.
Edalgo_Alvarez
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Re: Guide to Video
A program on character development? Sounds awesome! Care to let us know how its coming along?
Edalgo
A program on character development? Sounds awesome! Care to let us know how its coming along?
Edalgo
Re: Guide to Video
Yep! And the good news is that it is going to be free. It won't cost you a penny.
I implemented an earlier version of the software, which helped me to create characters profiles by asking a bunch of questions. And with those questions it would create a character profile, telling you about your character's background, how he would react to certain situations, what were the common words he would say, how he would get along with the other characters you create, etc...
The good thing was that the theory behind it helped me understand more about myself and those around me.
But, that was an research I was carrying out. Since I have a great interest for psychology, I was just putting into practice what I had learned.
But, that one was just an early test and was windows only.
So, I am trying to create one for both Windows, Macs and Linux.(I don't like to leave anyone out.) ;D
The early version was using the firebird database server to store the character profiles as well as the templates. But that would be a nightmare for most users to install. The Firebird database server is available for almost any platform, but it takes time to set up. And what users want is something that they would just install without hassle. So, that is what I am working on.
I'll let you guys know as soon as it is ready.
But it won't be sometime soon, as I only work on it from time to time.
Probably in September/October I will have a beta version.
All the best
Fidel.
Yep! And the good news is that it is going to be free. It won't cost you a penny.
I implemented an earlier version of the software, which helped me to create characters profiles by asking a bunch of questions. And with those questions it would create a character profile, telling you about your character's background, how he would react to certain situations, what were the common words he would say, how he would get along with the other characters you create, etc...
The good thing was that the theory behind it helped me understand more about myself and those around me.
But, that was an research I was carrying out. Since I have a great interest for psychology, I was just putting into practice what I had learned.
But, that one was just an early test and was windows only.
So, I am trying to create one for both Windows, Macs and Linux.(I don't like to leave anyone out.) ;D
The early version was using the firebird database server to store the character profiles as well as the templates. But that would be a nightmare for most users to install. The Firebird database server is available for almost any platform, but it takes time to set up. And what users want is something that they would just install without hassle. So, that is what I am working on.
I'll let you guys know as soon as it is ready.
But it won't be sometime soon, as I only work on it from time to time.
Probably in September/October I will have a beta version.
All the best
Fidel.