Group Buy for HVX?

jdanstan said:
What a about a DVX100b as a prize?
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Ask Jan. I think there's no chance, especially on a new model. At NAB JVC gave away an HD10, because they aren't selling, so what else would they do with it? So an older model maybe, at the best.
Especially if it has native 16:9!
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Jan's already confirmed that the 100B will not have a 16:9 chipset. I'd speculated that this would be impossible, and she's confirmed in the forum that the chipset will not be native 16:9.
 
Barry_Green said:
Ask Jan. I think there's no chance, especially on a new model. At NAB JVC gave away an HD10, because they aren't selling, so what else would they do with it? So an older model maybe, at the best.

Jan's already confirmed that the 100B will not have a 16:9 chipset. I'd speculated that this would be impossible, and she's confirmed in the forum that the chipset will not be native 16:9.
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Barry thou hast cleft my heart in twain.
baby_crying_closeup.jpg

WAAAAAAHHHHH

I just got into UCLA's online screenwriting program, good program but not too selective I don't think, so not bragging ... point is tuition is 4500 but you can borrow 60% over cost of tuition which = 2700. 2700 + 2500 to 3000 for my DVX on ebay plus all the things that won't fit the HVX (anaomprphic lens, century .7x wide angle, tiffen filters, etc.) = 5200 to 5700 = HVX with no HD = DVX color plus native 16:9 that's upgradable to HD later when my system can handle it. Woohooo!!! Yea!!!!! Woopie!!!!! HVX plus g-35 or mini 35 and the world will bow before my feet! Mauhahhahhaha
 
Barry_Green said:
Jan's already confirmed that the 100B will not have a 16:9 chipset. I'd speculated that this would be impossible, and she's confirmed in the forum that the chipset will not be native 16:9.
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Did she? I thought she said if it was 16:9, she'd pay us all $500. Oooh, allow us to dream!
 
Ah. Well, you're right. I guess the more tantalizing dream is that it *will* be 16:9, and then everyone gets $500 too!

(but somehow I don't think that's what she meant...)
 
Rush said:
That is a nice dream :cheesy:
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Sorry... I think I was actually editing the dream scene in The Rake's Progress when I wrote that...

"O Nick, I’ve had the strangest dream.
I thought — how could I know what I was never taught,
or fancy objects I have never seen?
[Jan] had devised a marvelous machine."...

"Thanks to this excellent device
Man shall re-enter Paradise "...

"Is this dream, too, this noble vision,
to prove as empty as the rest?"

Say it ain't so, Jan... $500 and 16:9! $500 and 16:9!
 
P2 on 8 GB . one min HD

P2 on 8 GB . one min HD

The P2 is only 8 GB about one minute of HD video. I shoot features. Most shots are over one minute. If this is their response to Andromeda, it still falls short. Gotta have more storage.. Plus it lacks 4:4:4. for those of us who want max color space. Good try but I'm still betting on Andromeda unless Panasonic can offer cheaper, larger media.

hw
 
herb_wms said:
The P2 is only 8 GB about one minute of HD video. I shoot features. Most shots are over one minute. If this is their response to Andromeda, it still falls short. Gotta have more storage.. Plus it lacks 4:4:4. for those of us who want max color space. Good try but I'm still betting on Andromeda unless Panasonic can offer cheaper, larger media.

hw
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Are you sure?

My understanding is that 8 gig = 8 min on a P2 card. 120gig = 2 hours and so on. Few Takes are over 8 mins.
 
herb_wms said:
The P2 is only 8 GB about one minute of HD video.
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Incorrect. An 8GB card is about 8 minutes of 1080 HD video, or 20 minutes of 720/24P.

I shoot features. Most shots are over one minute.
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No problem -- you can get 20 minutes of 720/24P on each card, and with two cards loaded you can get 40 continuous minutes of shooting. Even if you're shooting 1080/24p you can still get sixteen minutes of continuous footage. That's about equivalent to four 400' magazines of 35mm film before needing to "re-load".

Plus it lacks 4:4:4. for those of us who want max color space.
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No "affordable" camera offers 4:4:4 in HD res, and the andromeda doesn't either. The HVX offers 4:2:2, which is higher color sampling than the Andromeda's high-def footage, IINM. Andromeda only offers 4:4:4 in standard-def, I believe.

Good try but I'm still betting on Andromeda unless Panasonic can offer cheaper, larger media.
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I think your understanding is way off. If you were considering using Andromeda, you have to be tied to a computer at all times. If you're willing to be tied to a computer at all times, you can do the same thing with the HVX. Then you can get a 300gb external drive and store about 11 hours of HVX 720/24p footage for around $150. It don't get larger or cheaper than that! And with the HVX you can always disconnect from the computer (something Andromeda could never do) and you'll still have 40 minutes of onboard storage before you need to reload. And you still get 4:2:2 color sampling in high-def.
 
herb_wms said:
http://www.broadcast-usa.com/Disk Capacity chart.htm

sorry I posted this link above your post then modified it.

If each frame is around 4mb that's a lot of media.. I'm new to this and may be wrong. the chart says 8.3 GB per minute for max Hd and 7 GB per min for lower HD. maybe they meant MIN/GB .. I'll look for other references
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I have no idea what I'm talking about. I just parrot things from Barry's book or this site. It's called "male answer syndrome" LOL. But looks like in this instance I got lucky and got one right.

I've also "heard" that eventually ( a year , two? three?) those P2 cards will go way down and you will be able to get 120gig for the price of an 8 gig now...but again that's just what I heard.
 
herb_wms said:
http://www.broadcast-usa.com/Disk Capacity chart.htm

sorry I posted this link above your post then modified it.

If each frame is around 4mb that's a lot of media.. I'm new to this and may be wrong. the chart says 8.3 GB per minute for max Hd and 7 GB per min for lower HD. maybe they meant MIN/GB .. I'll look for other references
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In a rare instance, I think it may help to clarify Barry's (the green one) answer:

The website you're pointing to seems to be describing uncompressed HD video... notice that SD is listed as 20MB/s, as opposed to thge DV25 and DV50 formats, which are at their appropriate values. The HVX records hi-def in DVCProHD format, which is compressed (though not nearly so much as HDV, and without the interframe compression problems).

So Barry was a little imprecise... when he gave you times for "HD Video" he meant "DVCProHD video", which has a max bitrate of 100 Mbps, or about 12.5MBps; and much lower rates for 720p (~40Mbps), yielding the 40-minute figure.
 
HVX200 already onsale

HVX200 already onsale

hey I just came back from the Japanese district here in LA and I saw a mag at the bookstore, the HVX200 is already onsale in Japan
it was one of those "to low to print" ads so it didn't list the price

BTW: that cmos cam looks better than the fx1 but who cares about sony????
I don't
 
Unix said:
hey I just came back from the Japanese district here in LA and I saw a mag at the bookstore, the HVX200 is already onsale in Japan
it was one of those "to low to print" ads so it didn't list the price
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HVX has been on sale in the U.S. for a few months now (EVS, B&H, etc.). You just can't take delivery for a while.
 
Sumfun said:
HVX has been on sale in the U.S. for a few months now (EVS, B&H, etc.). You just can't take delivery for a while.
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yeah that's just the presale, or they're like taking orders already
 
Unix said:
I heard u need a monster computer to handle uncompressed 1080i
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yes you do.. not a monster computer but at least a dual xeon with a 4 drive SATA raid array. Even then, its not fast. but for straight cuts and 2 tracks you can get by.
 
Thanks ullanta

Thanks ullanta

ullanta said:
In a rare instance, I think it may help to clarify Barry's (the green one) answer:

The website you're pointing to seems to be describing uncompressed HD video... notice that SD is listed as 20MB/s, as opposed to thge DV25 and DV50 formats, which are at their appropriate values. The HVX records hi-def in DVCProHD format, which is compressed (though not nearly so much as HDV, and without the interframe compression problems).

So Barry was a little imprecise... when he gave you times for "HD Video" he meant "DVCProHD video", which has a max bitrate of 100 Mbps, or about 12.5MBps; and much lower rates for 720p (~40Mbps), yielding the 40-minute figure.
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I'm just now looking into HD after shooting my first feature with an XL1 and want better video next time. I don't plan on buying until Dec or Jan, just before I start next film. So I have time to learn. I want the highest quality footage I can get, short of film, and at a price I can accord. The HXV may be a good choice but is it the best I can do for under 10K. I don't mind having a HDD or infact a PC connected to my camera especially if I can us the TFT as a monitor. Hard to judge your lighting and compossion without a good monitor and camera mounted monitors just don't cut it.

My aim is to have a product that can be shown in DLP theaters or blown-up to film without (noticeable) loss of color and detail.

Wonder which will project better via DLP onto a large screen. DVCProHD or uncompressed HD? my guess is Uncomp HD. But then could I afford the multi-terabyte HDD's I'll need.(about 10 or so terabytes) I've look at multiple sites today and all say 8.3 GB/min of UNcompressed 720P 10 bit HD (my goal if I can afford it)

You and others on this site seem knowledgeable about these things. Hope you don't mind me picking your brains?
 
Barry_Green said:
I think your understanding is way off. If you were considering using Andromeda, you have to be tied to a computer at all times. If you're willing to be tied to a computer at all times, you can do the same thing with the HVX. Then you can get a 300gb external drive and store about 11 hours of HVX 720/24p footage for around $150. It don't get larger or cheaper than that! And with the HVX you can always disconnect from the computer (something Andromeda could never do) and you'll still have 40 minutes of onboard storage before you need to reload. And you still get 4:2:2 color sampling in high-def.
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Berry, thanks for the info. I am very new to HD, just trying to understand and Find the best match of quality for my budget. It may well be that the HVX is what I'll need. I'd like to work with uncompressed HD if possible but not sure I can afford it. If not then the HVX my be a good option. Being able to disconnect is a feature I'm sure I will need at times. Can't trail a runner or do a good steadicam shot with all the extras connected. OK for studio and indoor shots but not the action shots. Definitely food for thought.

Will the Micro 35 work with the HVX?

Thanks
HW
 
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