Good things for HMC-XXX Sonys new NXCAM!

[Barry_Green]

Don't panasonic have an in camera fix on the HPX300?

Yep.

That seems like a much better fix than having to run 8 hours of footage through some Sony botched together software 3 times a week!

I agree, of course... I'm just going along with the notion of what they've extended as a solution for the EX line, and hoping that the NX will have in-camera compensation, but if not, hopefully it'll at least have comparable to what the EX line got.

 

[KnoxHotch]

Panasonic did a good job with their first pro cmos camera by including that feature in camera (wish I could afford one). It's something Sony (who uses a lot of cmos) needs to work on IMO.

 

[Denwa]

Whether CMOS a deal-breaker or not, I bet that successors to Panasonic's 200/170/150 and to Canon's A1/G1 will have CMOS sensors.

That may be so, but I sure as hell won't be buying one unless they exceed the capability of a CCD!

 

[PerroneFord]

...I sure as hell won't be buying one unless they exceed the capability of a CCD!

Exceed in what way? Some would argue (successfully) that they already DO exceed the capability of CCD. They draw less power, run cooler, can be read faster, are more light sensitive, etc.

So you should probably define your terms.

 

[Barry_Green]

They draw less power, run cooler, can be read faster, are more light sensitive, etc.

Because of all of those, they can have more pixels packed on them, resulting in higher resolution too.

In big cameras, no -- the CCD is still king. But in small chips, the advantages of CMOS are pretty compelling, but have to be contrasted against the drawbacks. I'm glad there are still both technologies being offered... Stu Mashwitz called the HMC150 "the last great CCD camera."

Of course, CMOS is a transitionary technology too -- at the big tech conference in February, one of the panels is about "what comes after CMOS"...

 

[Thomas Lew]

Because of all of those, they can have more pixels "what comes after CMOS"...

DMOS? lol

what conference is this as well?

:bath:

 

[PerroneFord]

In big cameras, no -- the CCD is still king.

What do you mean by Big?

RED = CMOS Several feature films shot on that
SI-2k = CMOS Academy Award winning picture shot on that
Arri D20/D21 = CMOS Numerous feature films shot on that.

And of course, there are the CCD variants

Genesis
F35
Viper


So even at the top end, there is not consensus.

 

[Superfresa66]

and yet rolling shutter still looks horrible coming from RED

 

[Barry_Green]

I mean 2/3" and above. As in, every broadcast camera from Sony, Panasonic, Hitachi, Ikegami, etc... all are CCD, except for a very few (the new 350 Sony, and I think two or three out of the 10 or so models from Ike and Hitachi combined.) F23, F35, SRW9000, all of them.

So no, there's not consensus, but there's a pretty towering advantage, at least last I checked.

 

[PerroneFord]

So no, there's not consensus, but there's a pretty towering advantage, at least last I checked.

Agreed if we're talking broadcast cameras. Digital Cinema... different story.

 

[dcloud]

im wondering if panasonic will release a 1/3" cmos hmc150? how likely is that?

i just sold my hmc150 for financial reasons (loved that cam)
( i like the hmc40 but its just bad at lowlight )

im looking for a good replacement on 2011 which i believe is a perfect time for new cams & for me financially.

 

[Barry_Green]

im wondering if panasonic will release a 1/3" cmos hmc150? how likely is that?

Nobody knows except those inside Panasonic, and they're not talking.

I haven't heard any rumors of any such product.

 

[Sectaguy]

What 4:2:2? All AVCHD is 4:2:0.

On page 5 of this thread there was a brief discussion on the NXCAM delivering 4:2:2 through the HDSDI output. More interestingly to me is the HDMI signal. Could this also be uncompressed (no AVC process) 4:2:2? On a second question, 8bit or 10bit?

 

[Barry_Green]

Pretty much all HD cameras on the market provide uncompressed 4:2:2 HDMI output.

As to whether it's 8-bit or 10-bit, that would have to be tested for each case.

That's unrelated to AVCHD; AVCHD is the recording format and is always 4:2:0 and 8-bit.

 

[Cranky]

Now we know the name: Prime.

http://provideocoalition.com/index.php/awilt/story/preview_sony_nxcam/

 

[dcloud]

a third stop faster than hvx200. how fast is that compared to the hmc150?

wishin for a hpx300 sensor on a 150/170 body.. hee hee hee

 

[Cranky]

a third stop faster than hvx200. how fast is that compared to the hmc150?

A tad slower? Especially considering that it is a bit noisy at 0dB.

wishin for a hpx300 sensor on a 150/170 body.. hee hee hee

Come on, why would you want to ruin a good camera with a jello-sensor. Wishing for DV mode (including progressive), larger and much higher-res LCD and non-sticking focus wheel on the 150.

 

[dcloud]

or touch screen amoled seems a good idea on the lcd

sorry. jello isnt the biggest issue for me
besides, im very sure they wont kill the ccd line. itll be a sister cam to the ccds

 

[kimgroth]

CMOS rolling shutter?

CMOS rolling shutter?

I'm really no big fan of CMOS, i saw a video that freaked me out. A lady explained haw to circumvent the rolling shutter effect. Basically she said that you have to tilt the camera! Are all CMOS cameras using the rolling shutter? is there a fix for that ugly effect?

 

[PerroneFord]

I'm really no big fan of CMOS, i saw a video that freaked me out. A lady explained haw to circumvent the rolling shutter effect. Basically she said that you have to tilt the camera! Are all CMOS cameras using the rolling shutter? is there a fix for that ugly effect?

Film cameras have a mechanical rolling shutter. People have been working around it for 100 years. I've found that a basic understanding of what you can and cannot do is all that is required for an intelligent shooter to avoid issue.

CCD cameras also have limitations on their operation, especially in regards to bright ligh. All cameras do have limitations.

We've been watching feature films with "rolling shutter" footage for a couple years now. District 9, Che, Slumdog Millionaire, etc. CMOS is not the limiting factor in people's success in the great majority of cases.