if it uses the same old Z5 sensor, then thats a stupd move..
i would love to have an hmc40 but it's lowlight turns me off.
m43 sensor seems a bit far fetched isnt it? or does such thing could really exist the near future?
Good things for HMC-XXX Sonys new NXCAM!
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i would love to have an hmc40 but it's lowlight turns me off.
m43 sensor seems a bit far fetched isnt it? or does such thing could really exist the near future?
The Sony has two MemoryStick slots, the 150 and the 40 have only one.
With a MicroSD adapter MemoryStick format should not be a problem. Sony's PlayStation works with adapters, hopefully this cam will work too.
The Sony records SD, though it is crappy DVD-video SD. They should at least have offered proper DV.
The Sony offers PCM audio. It is in AVCHD spec, but AFAIK so far all AVCHD cams have been using AC3, including AVCCAM.
The Sony uses good old infolithium batteries. The OEM batteries are at least twice cheaper than Panasonic batteries, knockoffs are even cheaper. These batteries can be used in multitude of 3rd party lights too.
The Sony uses LANC, cheap controllers can be found for as low as $25. They are crude but work, and you need only one controller for all remote functions, and one cable and one socket.
So, for one who wants an inexpensive tapeless solution, the Sony may look a little more attractive when it comes to accessories.
With a MicroSD adapter MemoryStick format should not be a problem. Sony's PlayStation works with adapters, hopefully this cam will work too.
The Sony records SD, though it is crappy DVD-video SD. They should at least have offered proper DV.
The Sony offers PCM audio. It is in AVCHD spec, but AFAIK so far all AVCHD cams have been using AC3, including AVCCAM.
The Sony uses good old infolithium batteries. The OEM batteries are at least twice cheaper than Panasonic batteries, knockoffs are even cheaper. These batteries can be used in multitude of 3rd party lights too.
The Sony uses LANC, cheap controllers can be found for as low as $25. They are crude but work, and you need only one controller for all remote functions, and one cable and one socket.
So, for one who wants an inexpensive tapeless solution, the Sony may look a little more attractive when it comes to accessories.
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ATL Media Group
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Thanks for the heads up Barry. You are one of the reasons I come here. Cut through the BS ... "Just the fax 'maam..."
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Thomas Lew
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Makes sense that the CMOS chips are becoming more popular in smaller cams... but I'm sure there's got to be a target group that can only afford smaller cams and want CCDS. Oh well.
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Barry_Green
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Whether they want it or not, there's limitations on what the CCD technology can deliver. CCD excels in the bigger chips, and in standard definition. But it's just not possible to cram 1920x1080 pixels on a 1/4" CCD and get 60fps out of it with any sort of decent quality. As long as people demand pixels, the only way to supply that demand is with CMOS. That's why the CCD cameras in small chip (like the JVCs and the HMC150) don't have 1920x1080 pixels -- can't be done. But in CMOS, it's possible.
The NXCAM looks mostly like Sonys version of the HMC-150.
I don't see where it will do much if anything to push along any updated version of the HMC-150.
I would think the price point will have to be very close to the HMC-150. But if it's less than the current Z5 price ($4,100), why would anyone buy a Z5?
Okay Canon, whatcha gonna do now?
I don't see where it will do much if anything to push along any updated version of the HMC-150.
I would think the price point will have to be very close to the HMC-150. But if it's less than the current Z5 price ($4,100), why would anyone buy a Z5?
Okay Canon, whatcha gonna do now?
The P&S & DSLR mega-pixel race has painfully pointed out that lots of pixels will fit on a CMOS. I hope the manufacturers are learning something from all that foolishness.
Are video CMOS sensors mostly made by Sony like all the P&S & DSLR sensors are?
studio1972
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Panasonic make the sensors for the HMC40 and the HPX300 and canon make the sensors for their DSLRs and point and shoots, not sure what makes you think Sony is the dominant player in CMOS?
Mike Harvey
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With that HD-SDI socket, I'm thinking closer to the price of a Z7. But even if it splits the difference... unless you absolutely needed the interchangable lens of the Z7, why would you buy either over this? And at that price, it's almost in the same category as the HPX170... but the aren't really in the same class given the formats and media.
That will be really interesting to see. The A1/G1 have been out for 3 years.
It seems that NXCAM is nothing more than AVCHD with PCM sound. PCM sound is part of the spec, so all AVCHD-compliant NLE should handle this footage fine. And a "professional" brand, support, warranty... all that stuff that makes AVCCAM so much different from AVCHD.
Not sure where MPEG-2 SD will be stored, though.
Thanks man! My assumptions in the past have cost me $ that didn't need to be spent so just making sure.
I have a headache from all these formats.
Barry_Green
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Well, there's "should", and then there's "is", which are unfortunately not usually the same. For example, when Sony launched AVCHD support in Vegas, they specified that it was support for footage "from Sony camcorders." If you had a Canon or Panasonic, you were pooched.
They've since rounded out the support, but I would say that you can never count on it being a "given". Premiere 4.0 didn't have any decent 720p support for AVCHD at all; it had to wait for 4.1.
So -- caveat emptor.
This simply means that those NLEs were not AVCHD-compliant
This camera does not seem to add much new to the existing mix of frame rates/sizes besides for PCM audio. Hopefully, recognizing PCM track will not be an issue.Digressing, my Panasonic SD1 palmcorder records 5.1 AC3. No practical sense. When I play the video in WMP the audio is fine, but in Vegas I need to shift it 60% to the left to make it even in both channels. I don't know why Vegas cannot process it correctly while WMP can. Not applicable to the Sony cam though, as it records stereo only.
I seem to have gotten a little confused reading this thread. This camera offers full raster 1920x1080, correct? The 1440 option is for those that wish for longer record and easier transcoding and don't mind the quality hit? But the chip itself is 1920x1080, right? Somewhere on this thread I could have sworn I got the idea that the 1920 was being up-sampled from 1440, much like the Panasonic cams do from 960 or whatever it is?
Probably Barry knows who makes the video camera sensors, not that its a big deal, but it's not necesarily the camera mfg.
But I do know for certain Sony makes most of the camera CMOS sensors and a large portion of CCD sensors. Canon has been producing a few of their own CMOS, but not many. Canon no longer makes CCDs, they are all outsourced to Sony.
A really quick search turns up:
Canons new G11 P&S Sony sensor
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1010&message=32726998
other misc sensors
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1037&message=33065200
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=29660737
Barry_Green
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I agree 100%.This simply means that those NLEs were not AVCHD-compliant
Well, 1080/30pN and 720/30pN are outside of the original AVCHD specification too. They were never included. 720/24pN and 1080/24pN were there from day one, but 30pN wasn't. So there is at least one variation there outside of the AVCHD specification.
I share your optimism that things will just work right out of the box. And if they don't, I do so hope that the NLE manufacturers will rectify it quickly. I would expect that Sony Vegas will have 100% support on day one for everything the NXCAM series offers.
You just answered your own question. Ever since Sony bought Vegas, its universal support has weakened significantly. Sony Vegas supports Sony products, and they don't prioritize anything else. Which is probably the primary reason I've quit relying on Vegas, it's no longer a universal editor, it almost seems to be more of a tool to push & promote Sony camcorder sales. Can't say as I blame them for their selfish interest, but on behalf of those of us who bought and learned it long before it was SONY Vegas, it sucks that they went that way.
Barry_Green
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The recording format is AVCHD, which supports full-raster 1920x1080 and 1280x720 recording.
Yes.
No.
You are correct. It is a 1440x810 chip that digitally interpolates the missing pixels into 1920x1080.
Barry_Green
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I don't know that they're calling the camera "full HD", they're calling the recording format "full hd" or "full raster".
"Full HD" is a marketing term anyways.