Crossroads Films
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Was wondering what program is the best at a low budget rate???
caz I know on garage band they let u bring clips into the player
caz I know on garage band they let u bring clips into the player
Good ADRing programs??? is garage band one of them??
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There are three things required for effective ADR:
- Good actors' performances, properly recorded.
- Software that assists in editing ADR (VocAlign comes to mind).
- Good post-production treatment of the edited ADR to match it as closely as possible to the production dialog.
So, assuming that you have the capability to record actors' voices in post, and you have some skill and know-how with post-production mixing (and a DAW that allows you to do so), what you're looking for is ADR editing. What programs like VocAlign allow you to do is to time-stretch and time-compress syllables (parts of words) to maintain proper lip-sync throught each word and each line.
- Good actors' performances, properly recorded.
- Software that assists in editing ADR (VocAlign comes to mind).
- Good post-production treatment of the edited ADR to match it as closely as possible to the production dialog.
So, assuming that you have the capability to record actors' voices in post, and you have some skill and know-how with post-production mixing (and a DAW that allows you to do so), what you're looking for is ADR editing. What programs like VocAlign allow you to do is to time-stretch and time-compress syllables (parts of words) to maintain proper lip-sync throught each word and each line.
Things like VocAlign generally work as plug-ins within other audio editing programs, such as ProTools.
Rick R
Veteran
VocAlign is not a recording app. It l automatically edits a line of replacement dialog so that it aligns with the dialog recorded with the original film or video.
If your NLE can playback video, audio and record another track of audio at the same time, that , or another audio recoding app. could be used to capture ADR, It's not as easy as it sounds for everyone involved.
If your NLE can playback video, audio and record another track of audio at the same time, that , or another audio recoding app. could be used to capture ADR, It's not as easy as it sounds for everyone involved.
unclebob6958
Well-known member
Up until the last 15 or 20 years or so replacing dialog was called Looping. There would be a literal film loop of the piece of dialog to be replaced, and the actor would listen to and perform the line over and over until the performance and the sync was as close to perfect as possible.
Now, on to the subject at hand....
There are programs like EdiCue ($600) that work within Pro Tools, and there are stand-alone programs like VoiceQ ($2,500).
Any DAW will do the job, as long as it can accurately playback the visuals for editing/sync. I suppose that the better NLEs will work as well although they usually skimp on audio utility/functionality. The rest is up to you and the actors. You will have to do old fashioned looping and get the best performance that you can. You do not have the skills nor the software to take very loose performances and edit them convincingly.
I've found that, down here at the low/no/mini/micro budget level, if the actors do not watch the visuals they seem to do a better job. They have little experience with ADR/looping, and having the ability to watch him/her self is mostly a distraction.
I have also found that listen and repeat (now that they're not watching the visuals) works better; let them hear the line then perform it immediately without stopping. Yes, you will have to slide the recorded line back to get it in visual sync, but the performance is the most important thing at this point.
The rest comes down to the edit. If you don't have a piece of software like VocAlign you will have to manually stretch or compress vowels and the occasional consonant.
Now you have to get the ADRed/Looped dialog to match the rest of the dialog in the scene. Here you have one advantage; you probably used the same mic to do the ADR that you used on location, so the basic tonality will be similar. But you still need to "dirty up" the ADRed dialog with room tone & EQ and may need to add some reverb as well. Oh, yeah, you will definitely need to do some Foley work.
Now, on to the subject at hand....
There are programs like EdiCue ($600) that work within Pro Tools, and there are stand-alone programs like VoiceQ ($2,500).
Any DAW will do the job, as long as it can accurately playback the visuals for editing/sync. I suppose that the better NLEs will work as well although they usually skimp on audio utility/functionality. The rest is up to you and the actors. You will have to do old fashioned looping and get the best performance that you can. You do not have the skills nor the software to take very loose performances and edit them convincingly.
I've found that, down here at the low/no/mini/micro budget level, if the actors do not watch the visuals they seem to do a better job. They have little experience with ADR/looping, and having the ability to watch him/her self is mostly a distraction.
I have also found that listen and repeat (now that they're not watching the visuals) works better; let them hear the line then perform it immediately without stopping. Yes, you will have to slide the recorded line back to get it in visual sync, but the performance is the most important thing at this point.
The rest comes down to the edit. If you don't have a piece of software like VocAlign you will have to manually stretch or compress vowels and the occasional consonant.
Now you have to get the ADRed/Looped dialog to match the rest of the dialog in the scene. Here you have one advantage; you probably used the same mic to do the ADR that you used on location, so the basic tonality will be similar. But you still need to "dirty up" the ADRed dialog with room tone & EQ and may need to add some reverb as well. Oh, yeah, you will definitely need to do some Foley work.
Noiz2
Sound Ninja
They do but it's mostly about line management. You go through and tag the lines that you need to ADR and it sets up the metadata, etc. Yes ProTools is probably the #1 ADR recording software but as I said in another thread ADR is a workflow not a app or plugin.
Michael Carter
Veteran
ProTools has some very good audio stretching tools out-of-the-box, with no plugins needed. It's not automatic, but it's free is you have the software.
I'm by no means a pro audio editor for motion pictures, but I've worked some minor miracles in fixing stutters, replacing dialogue, etc. It takes some practice. ProTools is well worth the money - you get way more control than Garage Band, and it ships with a world of cool plugins (especially if you're a musician - there's a ton of virtual instruments).
I'm by no means a pro audio editor for motion pictures, but I've worked some minor miracles in fixing stutters, replacing dialogue, etc. It takes some practice. ProTools is well worth the money - you get way more control than Garage Band, and it ships with a world of cool plugins (especially if you're a musician - there's a ton of virtual instruments).