GL3 Speculation?

Few notes here:

- I think a GL3 would be placed as direct (and welcome) competition for the FX1. The GL series and FX series already have a LOT in common. This is important to me, since the FX1 market is exactly where I expect my reasonable budgeting to stay. I would very much like to see this market grow and improve.

- I doubt they'll bother getting smaller than 1/3". For SD, it probably lowers costs. For HD - it probably won't. They may switch to CMOS though... who knows?

- Barry says: The CF25 mode drops the overall resolution to 540 lines. It's worth noting that these 540 lines have essentially full vertical chroma sampling, and that in the horizontal dimension, rather than having the 180 horizontal chroma rez of the DVX, the FX1 has 720 horizontal chroma samples stored. The result is a 1440x540 4:2:2 worth of infomormation... easily enough to make 720x540 4:4:4, compared to the 720x480 4:1:1 worth the DVX puts out.

-Spiff
 
thanks for the recap Barry.

it's a shame there isn't a 720p camera with fixed lens (read lower price/smaller body) than the JVC...i'd really like a 720 25p HDV machine, although 1080i + good frame mode will surfice.

HDV is tempting for people like me, $3k-$4k cameras are a big ask for me financially, and are definately as far as i want to go....money wise, for now
 
Well, there were two 720p cameras with fixed lens, the HD1 and HD10. They're both discontinued now. They were 30p-only though, they never made a 25p version.
 
It looks like JVC is the only company supporting the HDV1 (i.e., 720p) format. I wouldn't be surprised if this remains the case. However, I also expect within a few generations that the HDV2 cameras will feature 1080i60 as well as true 1080p30 and 1080p24... If HDV actually makes it to 3 generations.

-Spiff
 
Hum...even though the idea of a HD GL3 is really great and I would love to see it come true, I don't think it'll come out so soon. The Xl2 is doing good and this would be jeopardized by the introduction of a HD with 24p camera.
 
Hmmm, since I have a GL1 and judge it EVERY DAY, I have kept my eye on how Canon does things, I would suppose that at least:

- 24f and 30f optional framerates
- No XLR's
- Same features as GL2
- 16:9 LCD a'la FX1/Z1 (?)
- Great fixed lens
- HDV... Canon style!

Things I don't think will happen:

- C-mount, I would suppose you'd face the same problems as a 35mm adapter. Plus, why buy an XLH1 then?
- XLR's, remember, this is a B-camera and XLR's would detract more from XLH1.
- $5,000+ price, the usual price ceiling on GLs is $3,000.
- 720p, though a nice option, Canon would be foolish to not use 1080i since the FX1 uses it. Consumers and prosumer newbies who buy it will be confused and think 1080i is better since, higher number usually = better!
- Cup holders, I know some of you want them! ;)

That's my take. At least. Any more ideas or thoughts on what they could do?
 
I think the GL H1 or HM1 will be pretty hot - I love my little XM1 (PAL for GL1).

I am editing a corporate video at the moment shot on a 2/3" Beta SP and IMO the XM1 footage (which I used for soem quick pickups) is better! It's a great camera - lame on audio though! I hope they add XLRs.
 
I have a GL1 and XL1 that I use all the time. I would agree that the GL1 image, colors, and exposure are always better than my XL1.. but I hate the audio capabilities.. or lack thereof. If they had an HD version in the 3k range, I think it would make up for the overpriced HD cam. For some reason, Canon seems to take it's sweet time in catching up videowise. Still stuff, they are second to none. I love my 2 year old digital rebel
 
You guys who are discussing needed audio upgrades on a GL3 - would you really be happy with HDV's compressed audio?
 
Tibby said:
Anybody speculating on what features may be on the GL3?

HDV?
24F?

I was thinking that if Canon put out a GL3 with 1440x1080 HDV and the 24f and 30f modes, it would probably do pretty well.
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I knew it would eventually happen, and it appears I was pretty on the mark for a lot of specs:

http://cweb.canon.jp/prodv/xhg1/index.html

3 Chip 1/3 CCD

If I'm not mistaken that looks like and HD-SDI output

24f and 30f modes

2 different models no less!!!

These appear to have the same basic specs as the XL-H1

If my currency conversion is correct the XH G1 will retail for around $6800 and the XH A1 will retail for around $4700. I could be mistaken, so let's take this with a grain of salt.
 
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nice one & at a good price too but i think its a bit late on canon's part ... just seems like a copy of fx1 & Z1 on may accounts with a few extra features ! if this was released a year ago that is before Hvx200 & XLH1 it would have created some vibe.. ah but its all a bit too late for HDV now.

nice to see an iris ring on the lens... but hate the free ring designs... why on earth cant canon just put ends on the zoom & focus ring like the HVX200???? if i am right sony fx1 does have zoom & focus ends... so why is this not implemented?
 
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Yes, the Sony does have markers for zoom. My question to you is, why is this the end for HDV? It's supported by four camera manufacturers and all the major NLEs and Graphic suites pretty much. If anything, HDV will be here for a while.

heath
 
isnt AVCHD supposed to be better & much more effective compression scheme & isnt it time camera's record to HDD or some sort of flash media like the P2 (but cheaper) ?
 
http://www.avchd-info.org/index.html

I will reserve judgment on the Sony consumer cameras that use AVCHD as a codec until I see the quality and use the camera. Seeing something on paper gives me an idea but until I see it, I wait. But a consumer camera is a consumer camera. The one exception is the FX1 (a consumer camera, but very pro-like) and the JVC HD10 (called a pro camera, more consumer).

heath
 
razamalik said:
isnt AVCHD supposed to be better
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Yes, yes, and yes.

& much more effective compression scheme
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Definitely yes, usually figured as at least 2x as effective, and more like 2.5x as effective

& isnt it time camera's record to HDD or some sort of flash media like the P2 (but cheaper) ?
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Yes, it's absolutely time for that.

But now someone has to develop an AVC-HD camera that's worthy of the format, instead of putting out some bottom-of-the-line spinning-DVD camera like the Sonys that have been announced. This XH A1 would have been perfect for that.
 
Barry_Green said:
But now someone has to develop an AVC-HD camera that's worthy of the format, instead of putting out some bottom-of-the-line spinning-DVD camera like the Sonys that have been announced. This XH A1 would have been perfect for that.
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Too right... cant panasonic just release an update to the HVX 200 with AVCHD ? that would solve the space issues of current 4GB & 8GB P2s no?
DVCPROHD & AVCHD on one camera !!! now that would be one heck of a cool camera...

I was on the look out for FX2 with AVCHD & hopefully a solid state media or hdd recording & sony came out with that single chip cmos dvd recording consumer camera & now this from canon... well i wasnt expecting it to be AVCHD as its only a panasonic & sony thing.. but there you are.... no camera does it all... we'l have to choose the one that works for us or hell if one can afford he can buy all the cameras like Jim & then go on to develop his own coz nothing worked for him LOL!
 
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