GL3 Speculation?

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Tibby

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Anybody speculating on what features may be on the GL3?

HDV?
24F?

I was thinking that if Canon put out a GL3 with 1440x1080 HDV and the 24f and 30f modes, it would probably do pretty well. Maybe add XLR inputs.

A fixed lens and no HD-SDI output may get the camera below 5k. That would make a truly competitive camera.

Hell I don't even need XLR's I've got a beachtek...would be nice though. Throw a G35 or M2 on the front of it and you've got a decent indy film camera.

Yes I know tape is dead blah, blah, blah... but I predict HDV will be around for quite sometime. I think more low level consumer cameras will start to use the format in the next few years. People are accustomed to video being tape based, most don't know the difference between Mpeg2, DV, or ProHD. The average consumer will like HDV option.

Hey, after all you can still buy Digital8 Camcorders in stores.

Actually...I still own mine... sentimental reasons...kinda like the runt in a litter of kittens. :laugh:

Anyway...just wondering what features people think will be included in this camera.
 
It would be interesting if the GL-H2/GL3 had all the same internals as the XL-H1, just like the GL1 and XL1. Would need XLR input to be much good for Indies though?

Many people argue the GL1 actually produces a better picture than the XL1 because of the compromises they had to make in order to make the lens removable. Having intercut the two cameras, I would rate them pretty evenly picture wise.
 
I work with a GL2 on occasion (haven't used a GL1). The picture is very nice on that camera. Let's hope they do put the basic components/features of the XL-H1 into the GL3.
 
It needs XLR jacks and good ones. Especailly if they are going to price it higher like they did the XL-H1. Audio has to stop being a secondary thought on these cameras.
 
Don't want to be a party spoiler but with the cost of the new XL H1 I wonder how much a GL HD would cost. $5k? Who's going to go for it if you can have the JVC with removable lens for the same cost?

I dunno, just my opinion, but I don't see a new GL coming out, at least not at the cheap, competitive price we're used to.

I would love a GL at the same cost as the FX1 though... with 24p :)
 
theHeadlessPuppy said:
Who's going to go for it if you can have the JVC with removable lens for the same cost?
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Anyone who doesn't want to pay extra just for glass so that the picture will look good.
 
theHeadlessPuppy said:
Who says they don't look good?

And who says that the GLH won't have the same problems or different ones?
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Every report I've heard so far makes it fairly clear that if you really want a nice image you need to replace the Fujinon lens.

And it is unlikely that the "GL3" or any other high-end prosumer camera from Canon will have a bad image. Glass is what they do.
 
I was thinking that without XLR's, HD-SDI output, and a detachable lens a GL3 (Errr...GL-H1 maybe) could be around 5k and under.

Why not buy an HD100? If the GL3/H1 it has the same chips as the XL-H1, it will shoot HDV at 1440x1080 in 24f mode, which is a higher resolution than the HD100. I would personally rather have something like that and add a lens adapter package (G35 or M2). Both the GL1 and GL2 had really nice optics.

Or they could possibly use a CMOS chip, which might make it a little cheaper. If they could still achieve 1440x1080 in 24f mode it would still be a pretty nice camera. I doubt that they would use a CMOS chip, but ya never know.
 
One good reason to buy a GLHD with xlr (which is a 10 cent no brainer de riguere addition these days) is that it already has a proven 20x flourite zoom--which oddly enough shows up stock lens on the XLH1(?). That is heckuva lens. The word on the jvc stock fujinon is that it's a veeery average optic. By the way the 3.5 wide angle jvc option is 12.9k...lens alone. Gulp.

So the GLHD in magnesium chassis isn't asking for much at all. 24F with pixel shift seems to be quite an acceptable answer to 24P.

What I'd like to see is the GLHD w xlr and C mount or Canon interchangeable lens system--as an entry high def option to full blown XLH1 production camera. I see no problem with 4-5k. Sony already sells 3 chip hd consumer cam for under 2k. It's time Canon expanded their interchangeable lens option to another body. The GL is perfect fit and the time is right--a camcorder tucked under the panny200, jvc100 and XLH1. Entry indie level...which is where the dvx made its mark. A GLHD--well done with already proven Canon options--could be the new dvx in indie-land.

I said in another post that the next iteration of the dvx100 series--since the form/function is so well thought out--may well be (probably have to be?) dvx100CHD. The C being for C mount lenses or at least the longer 13x Lieca.

jvc has made a statement with the 100 model. It's time to seperate the box from the lens for indie people--who've expressed a definite trend toward going 5-10k for the right setup. (Judging from the current wave of new material being introduced.) On the still image side--can you image spending 5k for a top EOS with a fixed lens?

Canon has lots of options. They probably want to get GLHD right since they're not in the habit up upgrading hardware very often. So maybe get the hardware right, then work on firmware updates to tweak the camera. Like the EOS system.

Just think of it--Canon could open up their entire line of lenses to TWO bodies! Indie virvana!

The only thing I never much cared for with the GL2 was its footprint/form factor and plastic. But that's just me. I really think the dvx is nearly perfect in those respects. 100A/B die cast perfecto! So maybe Canon should copy the dvx box (paint it white like the EOS), put on an interchangeable 20x flourite, xlr, hd chips and viola! Take me to the bank! Show me the money!

That's my take.
 
If they would make an GL H1 with a GL2 type body 20x flourite zoom lens that captured 24f and 30f to hdv tape like the the XL H1 I'd laugh....a the way to the bank. That would be my dream camera if it existed, I wouldn't even care if it stayed plastic, I take good care of my cameras.
 
I've nothing against hdv tape either. Just add Focus storage option and aaawway we go!

Nice to have a more rugged die cast chassis though. Plastic is...plastic. For that kind of money nothing should be plastic.
 
That would be my dream camera if it existed, I wouldn't even care if it stayed plastic, I take good care of my cameras.
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Well, I can't imagine them *not* producing exactly that camera. The GL2 has had a rebate on it for the last two years... it's long overdue to be replaced... I'd bet that they will produce exactly what you just described.
 
They wouldnt put 24f or 24 anything in a gl3 they would risk competition with the DVX, that they would most certainly loose, also the camera has always been so consumer friendly that advanced things like 24f would create a strange mix of consumer friendly controls and prosumer variables it would make an odd mix in my opinion, I think the GL series will always have either 60i or 29.97 but nothing else, if it changes to dramatically it wont be the GL.

However I do think a smaller more consumer friendly HD canon is already underway, so mabye it can be the HD-GL3, but in the ways of variable change and prosumer options incorperated, I dont think its gonna happen.
 
myfriendimage said:
They wouldnt put 24f or 24 anything in a gl3 they would risk competition with the DVX, that they would most certainly loose, also the camera has always been so consumer friendly that advanced things like 24f would create a strange mix of consumer friendly controls and prosumer variables it would make an odd mix in my opinion, I think the GL series will always have either 60i or 29.97 but nothing else, if it changes to dramatically it wont be the GL.
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Why would you say that? The GLs have always matched the XLs. If nothing else the GL3 would have 24p even if not hdv. But I believe some kind of HDV is in order. I believe you can buy XLR ports. So with that you'd have a pretty nice cam. I'm thinking a CMOS chip is in order. Think a single 16:9 CMOS chip, 720/24f(p) HDV and decent glass will make the indie film crowd loose their mind and I believe may the break DVX's hold on that market.

-Nate
 
you have to raise the runts in a litter of kittens!

you have to raise the runts in a litter of kittens!

"Little one" needs all the care it can get.

But GL3????? Why? Just why? Get yourself an DVX100B instead....It'll be better.

If you are going for HD, you MUST go HVX100 or XLH1. There just isn't going to be any fight that they blow away anything else. Or just be patient and shoot on Super35 with prime lenses without that grainy ground glass crap that makes you LOSE resolution capacity.

People will be touting 70mm soon, I know it..



Tibby said:
Anybody speculating on what features may be on the GL3?

HDV?
24F?

I was thinking that if Canon put out a GL3 with 1440x1080 HDV and the 24f and 30f modes, it would probably do pretty well. Maybe add XLR inputs.

A fixed lens and no HD-SDI output may get the camera below 5k. That would make a truly competitive camera.

Hell I don't even need XLR's I've got a beachtek...would be nice though. Throw a G35 or M2 on the front of it and you've got a decent indy film camera.

Yes I know tape is dead blah, blah, blah... but I predict HDV will be around for quite sometime. I think more low level consumer cameras will start to use the format in the next few years. People are accustomed to video being tape based, most don't know the difference between Mpeg2, DV, or ProHD. The average consumer will like HDV option.

Hey, after all you can still buy Digital8 Camcorders in stores.

Actually...I still own mine... sentimental reasons...kinda like the runt in a litter of kittens. :laugh:

Anyway...just wondering what features people think will be included in this camera.
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If you are going for HD, you MUST go HVX100 or XLH1.
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As I stated in my previous post all the add ons included (XL-H1: Lens, XLR, HD-SDI) and not included (HVX200: P2 cards, Firestore, inumerable hard drives) would break the bank so to speak.

On the other hand a 5k HDV GL3 type camera with a resolution of 1440x1080 and 24f mode would not put me out that much.

I've already purchased a lens adapter. I own quite a few Nikon SLR lenses. And I also have a beachtek audio adapter.

As an independent (i.e. poor) filmmaker this kind of camera would be very appealing. So the word "MUST" is relative.
 
I would be very, very, very surprised if Canon produced a GL3 successor that *wasn't* HDV.

But then again, I remember being famously wrong when I said the same thing about the XL2 (I said they'd never produce a standard-def XL2, it'd be HDV all the way... and I was dead wrong about that). But I can't see being wrong about this. I'm certain that if they introduce a GL2 follow-up (perhaps named GL H1) it would be HDV, and it will unquestionably be 1080-based. Canon's already thrown their hat into the 1080i ring, and they've made a camera that is completely incompatible with 720p HDV, so they can't go making more camcorders in their HDV lineup that are fundamentally incompatible with each other... so that leads me to predict that there will be an HDV-based 1080i GL H1, which will have least frame-mode or XL H1-style 1080/30F, introduced later next year. Maybe around July. And it'll be way, way, way below $5,000 -- I'm thinking it'll be priced around $3300, competitive with the FX1.

(this is all rampant, wild speculation of course!)
 
Ah, rampant, wild speculation . . .

I don't think anyone is going to be committing much more development to DV25. A new GL camera is going to be HDV; they'll do that before they'll do 24F.
 
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