GH6 with ProRes

There are a lot of types of shots that don’t need 14 stops of range and don’t benefit from shallow dof. Landscapes, closeups, macro, super telephoto, Ultra wideangle all can be happily shot on m43. It’s mostly people you want to have full frame for at the 28-85mm range. That’s where you really want selective focus. And dynamic range.
 
ahalpert said:
There will still be reasons to shoot apsC and m43. The only question is if the market for them will be large enough to support their production
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Is 1" a sizeable market? A 1" sensor camera has even a longer reach than an MFT. But its market share seems to be very small. Because Sony chose to make it/keep it such. And so, whenever and wherever Sony wants to move, it'll move. Now a 128 MPX global shutter medium format sensor cameras are on their way and will take over the high end - studio, landscape, architecture, advertising/product, etc. - niche and the next generation 8K 40+ MPX full frame models with drop down to the $2,500 level. MFT will be around but not for the pros. You can call it natural progression or evolution or the non-smartphone photography. The larger the sensor, the greater the difference.

BTW, I was looking at a well known astrologer's site and one of her pages has several "smartphone photography" ads for her hometown in Tennessee. $200/hr.
 
I wonder how big the canon 1in handycam market is.. personally I feel these cameras excellent for all but the most hard core t2 cinematography.

I think its bug.. just on on dvxuser.
 
ahalpert said:
There will still be reasons to shoot apsC and m43. The only question is if the market for them will be large enough to support their production
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Agreed. Companies will stop developing and producing a type of camera if not enough people buy it. M43, FF, APSc are intrinsically no better or worse. Camera companies also have the ability to shape what is desirable, meaning if they put all their R&D and camera releases into FF then that's what people will buy because that's the only format where there is innovation.

1" camcorders still have a place. Largely it depends on the type of work. In most live event stage or sports coverage lack of dof of larger sensors is a deal breaker.
 
IMO the 1in sensor xf605 is good enough to tell most stories. Lack of a cinemati look will come from poor art, poor lighting and poor performance befroe it comes from a bit more DOF.
 
Thomas Smet said:
On top of that Panasonic now has a 80 MP stills mode that is insanely good as long as there isn't too much movement in the shot like running water or fast moving sports. To me that makes sense since the only time I would use a 80MP still is more of a still life setting like landscape, a photo of art work or architectural photos. Not that 25MP isn't a lot for many situations.
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Well it was certainly the G9's 80 MP high-res mode that saw me abandon FF DSLR Nikon, after years of use, for (professional) architectural stills photography: losing camera/lens weight (lost around 60%, mainly due to lenses) and ancillary weight and bulk (smaller quick-release plates etc., and much smaller and lighter bags). At the same time, it brought much better video with it (esp. with the later firmware updates). And I've enjoyed the M43 ride: not least with the range of lenses out there (e.g. have had fun with the Meike T2.2 cinema lenses). The GH6 appears - sans testing - to have advanced the high-resolution mode a bit (ditto standard stills), but hasn't addressed the main weakness of the G9 in this regard: that is, the 1 sec max exposure and lack of long-exposure noise reduction in high-res mode (oddly, both addressed by the S5). So tempting to this hybrid shooter, but not quite tempting enough. Perhaps a (smaller) G9ii will follow that will play more to hybrid shooters with a stills bias, but in the meantime I'm simply glad that the GH6 and OM-1 have appeared, breathing new life into M43 and giving hope for those of us who simply don't like the bulk and weight of FF, whether for physical strain of lugging around, for discretion or cost, and are not driven by lack of DOF. Hopefully, such like-minded souls will continue to represent a viable market!

Cheers,

Roland
 
Let me clarify that when I said everyone will be on FF I meant all the camera companies. Not users. APSC with Sony and Canon is always a budget afterthought and I wouldn't be surprised if they just phase it out. Canon had a great format with EF-M and they pretty much just let it die.

When it comes to a smaller sensor/form factor system it is pretty much going to be m43 and Fuji as the unique alternatives. I don't see enough advantage of Fuji over Panasonic m43 either. Its an even more obscure lens mount and only one manufacturer of camera bodies for that mount. Panasonic stands a much better chance of surviving with m43 over Fuji. Plus m43 can use focal reducers to essentially be a APS-c camera while also offering a full resolution 2x crop in m43 mode.

Thats why I eventually see every other company being FF and Panasonic offering the one realistic alternative. Heck even Panasonic is attempting to go the FF route but it will likely never take off thanks to the L mount.

Medium may have a future in the photo world but I'm not sure its going to live in the video world anytime soon. Medium just hasn't been as critical of a need since we have had high quality digital FF. It still has its use but its much less important than it was in the past. Much like m43 keeps getting better so is FF. I just think medium is going to be a hard sell and not offer a lot of ROI for the added cost over FF. There will of course be exceptions but exceptions rarely make a lucrative market. If FF and m43 camera sales are struggling its a given medium will really suffer.
 
Medium Format fits 8K very well. Technically speaking, Sony and Fuji can make an 8K MF model right now. But the $6,000 102 MPX Fujifilm GFX 100 only line-skips into 4K. That isn't likely last for very long. Even as Sony's protecting its pro video line.

As to the APS-C, there were rumors to Canon bringing out an RF mount piece. Bu they have to figure out where RP fits first. Because other rumors had an $800 full frame model too. In which case, APS-C would have to slot below it at about $600 and that may be too low for a 2022 ILC.

PS. Because most of narrative film making is upclose and personal, medium format would really play perfectly with the higher end production, the same way it found great use for the 65/70mm. Except an MF digital will work for the lower budget/TV too.
 
I don’t see any significant application for medium format for video.

I don’t see them wanting to sell $800 FF. The camera would need to be sufficiently crippled to dissuade pros from buying it. Besides who’s going own a $800 body with most lenses costing close to 2k.
 
Peter C. said:
I don’t see any significant application for medium format for video...
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Peter C. said:
I don’t see any significant application for medium format for video.
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There is nothing new about 65mm, it's highly specialized large format that a handful films use. Posting a picture of a digital 65mm camera isn't a well thought out argument
 
Raw numbers? Of course. But the gravitas, history, the impact of many of the films listed is worth ten times one of the million. I know, still leaves 100k. But It is the images the format has engendered, the inspiration it has given to many to go search for their own vision, however humble, that far outweigh any attempts to assess by merely counting.

I would very much love to try some medium format filming.
 
stoneinapond said:
Raw numbers? Of course. But the gravitas, history, the impact of many of the films listed is worth ten times one of the million. I know, still leaves 100k. But It is the images the format has engendered, the inspiration it has given to many to go search for their own vision, however humble, that far outweigh any attempts to assess by merely counting.

I would very much love to try some medium format filming.
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You're misunderstanding what I'm saying. Medium format can be used to make beautiful films but it is limited to a very small type of application. There is nothing wrong with 65mm I just don't see it being adopted to main stream consumer cameras like FF. Considering how sparingly it's used in Hollywood I can't see it gaining any significant adoption else where. That's it, no need to get so defensive like I'm attacking your child.
 
Peter C. said:
... no need to get so defensive like I'm attacking your child.
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:laugh:

And I'm saying that FF was once an outlandish suggestion, 8k was never going to happen...

Don't dismiss things based purely on your personal preferences.

And my children are grown up and can take care of themselves.
 
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