Thought the same thing. I plan on using v-log to keep highlights from blowing out, not to overexpose till they blow out anyway. But if you like the look...
GH4 GH4 V-log?
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stoneinapond
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Awful? Did you read his short comments? It's a choice he made. Do I like his choice? Not really, but awful? Come on. I wouldn't follow his advice, but given the facts I'd say that looks very promising.
losmignones
Member
this (miller shots) looks a lot like the S16mm documentary footage I used to edit on a Steenbeck, just shaper. Cold be great after a good grade.
joe12south
Veteran
Ugh. I'm really over the milky shadow, hipster look.This is not "cinematic". I was hoping this was going to be straight 8-bit V-LOG L footage.
LochnessDigital
Active member
I'm going to have to assume you didn't watch the whole thing. Skip to 1:07 and the entire piece plays again ungraded.
If you guys take a look at the Vlog files without any LUT in the second half of his clip, you'll see tons of detail in the highlights, which is really impressive, given that he intentionally overexposed it. It was the LUT he used to get the look he wanted, that blew out the highlights. Some guys have already graded their own versions of his straight VLog footage, which shows tons on detail in the highlights, with perfect clouds & skies and very good highlight roll off . However I much prefer James' grade from a visual perspective, you;ll see what I mean when you see the other 'grades' :shocked:
Retaining detail in the highlights, and low noise in the shadows is all well and good, and I have to admit its something that I've obsessed about too, to the point of insanity, but if the image aint engaging to look at, it aint worth jack. I've just watched an amazing short from a mate who shot it all with a beatup Canon 600D, no sliders, gimbals, matte box, fancy grading, hacks etc, NOTHING ... and its brilliant, totally engrossing story telling, never once thought about what it was shot on, highlights etc . Seriously guys, the GH4 is an amazing camera for the money, and unbelievably its just got even better, a win for all of us, but its the guy behind the camera that makes the magic, not the camera, so get shooting !
Retaining detail in the highlights, and low noise in the shadows is all well and good, and I have to admit its something that I've obsessed about too, to the point of insanity, but if the image aint engaging to look at, it aint worth jack. I've just watched an amazing short from a mate who shot it all with a beatup Canon 600D, no sliders, gimbals, matte box, fancy grading, hacks etc, NOTHING ... and its brilliant, totally engrossing story telling, never once thought about what it was shot on, highlights etc . Seriously guys, the GH4 is an amazing camera for the money, and unbelievably its just got even better, a win for all of us, but its the guy behind the camera that makes the magic, not the camera, so get shooting !
Batutta
Major Contributor
Yeah, but because of the overexposure, the tonal range is more compressed. I could pull a decent look out of it, but would prefer to see something properly exposed. At least the color in 8-bit, when using the vlog lut, looks good.
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Curnsie
Well-known member
It's all very subjective, however I for one can't wait to get V-log. I shot a project with an FS7 and my Gh4 the other day and the FS7 S-log was very impressive so my V-logged Gh4 will be a great step up IMHO. I realise it'll be a couple of stops of DR behind the Sony but when you consider the price difference it'll be hard to beat.
Has anyone in the UK been able to order V-log yet?
Has anyone in the UK been able to order V-log yet?
Jaime Valles
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Thanks for posting this. I actually really like the look he achieved in his grade, and the original footage looks like it can be pushed in many different ways. I was originally very apprehensive of shooting V-Log in 8-bit 4:2:0, but I may just have become convinced that it can work for me.
Dan Keeble
Well-known member
Have seen the first comment/complaint on how difficult V-Log footage is to grade. This is the calm before the storm.
wschmid
Well-known member
Yes thank you for posting that. I finde it a nice idea to have both the original footage without LUT and with LUT - and have downloaded that.
The orginial footage can be developed in a nice way for example in Vegas using filters like levels. That is not too hard. But the footage with LUT is overexposed dramatically - where clipping take place that kills a lot of picture information. Take for example the tower in 3:35 - the clouds are not visiable any more in the footage with the LUT, but can be developed in a great way in the footage without LUT.
So the good news are that this example shows that v-log v can be applied to 8bit footage internal recorded with the GH4 really. But one should take care and not overexposure it. Otherwise a LUT that will drive clipping as we see here.
The orginial footage can be developed in a nice way for example in Vegas using filters like levels. That is not too hard. But the footage with LUT is overexposed dramatically - where clipping take place that kills a lot of picture information. Take for example the tower in 3:35 - the clouds are not visiable any more in the footage with the LUT, but can be developed in a great way in the footage without LUT.
So the good news are that this example shows that v-log v can be applied to 8bit footage internal recorded with the GH4 really. But one should take care and not overexposure it. Otherwise a LUT that will drive clipping as we see here.
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maranfilms
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I don't understand why V-log is considered hard to grade. I found it nice to grade, not only that, but it holds up better than cinelike v or d with settings dialed back. I guess everyone has their ways of doing things, and what your used to. I haven't been spoiled with shooting raw, 10 or 12 bit 4:2:2, 4:4:4, often enough to be jaded. I personally find it easier grading v-log than non, and with more room for adjustment. I've played with luts, and without luts in film convert. I also found colorista plays nicely with the files. I get that on paper, 12 stops crammed into 8bit 4:2:0 would seem were losing data, or we would see an increase in banding, or artifacts, but for whatever the reason, it looks much better and is easier to push the image around before it breaks. I guess it's similar to Canon in that they can pull a great image from the same spec so to speak. Granted there's other factors that play into this.
joe12south
Veteran
Ah, thanks. I fell asleep before that.
maranfilms
Veteran
The biggest problem I'm having with grading V-log is settling on a "look" for the footage. I can't decide which look to go with creatively. If it were a story, sure that would help dictate the look of the grade, but on test footage it can be taken so many ways. It's fun none the less to play with. Even one 1 stop of dynamic range makes a difference, opens up new stylistic choices for grading, but two is really sweet. Thank you Panasonic!
Dan Keeble
Well-known member
I'm itching to get this V-log now. Still waiting in the UK for it to become available to purchase.
Since the code will work on a GH4 purchased anywhere, I'm sure a friend can purchase it for you from the states and email you the code, for a small fee
CustomerGH4
Well-known member
Since the code will work on a GH4 purchased anywhere, I'm sure a friend can purchase it for you from the states and email you the code, for a small fee
I think I must use the same tactic.
This damn thing is retarded. Why can´t they just give the code online, why the need for a physical code on a paper?
I said in another post somewhere that it's possible you may need to activate V-Log after any firmware update. With email addresses changing frequently, they wanted to provide a physical copy to prevent any additional chaos.
I'd do the favor of emailing a V-Log code, PM me for details.