GH4 back to Canon?

JasonMillard81

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Left my 5d3 because it looked soft and out of focus when compared to raw and gh4 two years ago. Sold it and got a gh4. Like it and pretty happy but now realizing there's more to an image than sharpness such as highlight roll off, DR, color production, etc.

was as considering a 1dc. Need opinions.

Thanks for the feedback and lively discussion. There are many posts that contradict each other but I personally see the perspective and intellect behind their contradictions.
As someone not doing this for a living but more of an interest and amazement at what can be done with such tools I think a few qualifiers are in order.
I certainly concede that based on what I'm reading and the responses here, buying a cinema camera to cover both photo and video probably hasn't reached a point of feasibility for me Ina price range that I can live with. Yet, in the next 1-5 years the possibility of getting 12+mp stills with enough data for minor color corrections etc. may allow the average consumer to purchase a cinema camera that can cover 90% of video and stills. In fact some of you may be able to argue that's possible now. If I absolutely want stills to be the focus il sure I can use my GH4 as that tool if I decided to save up for a cinema camera.

One me thing that I can't get out of my head is the potential for picking up a used Canon 1DC. It seems to be the most balanced of all options for my needs. But so many options exist it makes it difficult.
Ive gone from a 60D to a 5d3 to a GH4 and feel that I've learned a few things:
1. While enough detail needs to be present in an image, the most detailed image isn't always the best.
2. Color reproduction is more important to my eye and those of most of the people I know than detailed images.
3. How a camera handles roll-off contributes more to a pleasing look than how sharp it is.
4. FF/S35 seem to be a sweeter spot for appealing images than mFt. Many mFt users spend time buying add-one to achieve that look done naturally by larger sensors.

5. Being a run and gun person who isn't looking to/able to control light situations should really consider how a camera performs at higher ISO ranges. If I had taken the time to learn my 5d3, I may have kept it and not gotten my gh4 which introduces noise patterns even in sunny situations at times. Being able to shoot at 3200 and above cleanly is very important.

So, it appears that alongside a well detailed image that can shoot at higher ISOs, handle roll off, produce high quality color, and perform well in video and allow for usable stills is the next upgrade I seek.
Where does this leave me?

1DC
1DXII
a7sii
fs5
???

or wait until see what comes this September?


 
>>>1. While enough detail needs to be present in an image, the most detailed image isn't always the best.

+1 This is why I like to shoot with Nikon AI-S lenses with my GH4, as it helps to tone down the over-sharpened look that some Lumix/Olympus lenses can create. I wish there was a way to disable or control the extra sharpening used with M4/3 lenses. ( yes you can control sharpness in the body, but sometimes that may not be enough )

>>>2. Color reproduction is more important to my eye and those of most of the people I know than detailed images.

+1 I've been very happy with the results of the LEEMING LUT ONE when applied to GH4 V-Log and Cine-D footage. This gives me a lot more confidence with GH4 colors.

>>>3. How a camera handles roll-off contributes more to a pleasing look than how sharp it is.

Highlight exposure and fill lighting are key to getting your exposure within your camera's DR. This has not been a problem for me.

>>>4. FF/S35 seem to be a sweeter spot for appealing images than mFt. Many mFt users spend time buying add-one to achieve that look done naturally by larger sensors.

Everything is a compromise. There are times when the extra DOF from the M4/3 format allows you to shoot at wider apertures but still achieve the same workable DOF you are after, and there are times where the extra shallow DOF from a Full Frame camera makes it easier to blow-out a busy background and stop it from interfering with your main subject.

Long shooting times and very long battery life are also useful bonuses with the GH4 camera.

And then there's 4K 10-bit 4:2:2 recording which costs quite a bit more than buying an external recorder for the GH4 does.

>>>5. Being a run and gun person who isn't looking to/able to control light situations should really consider how a camera performs at higher ISO ranges.

Which essentially boils down to the Sony A7S, the Canon C100, Sony FS5, Sony FS7 ( you buy a separate camera for still photos )
 
... Which essentially boils down to the Sony A7S, the Canon C100, Sony FS5, Sony FS7 ( you buy a separate camera for still photos ...
And, depending upon the quality desired, a decent stills cam can be acquired for under $1,000.
 
And, depending upon the quality desired, a decent stills cam can be acquired for under $1,000.

...Ive been tempted to pick up a Nikon F5 which is going for peanuts on eBay. Sure you have to deal with film, but I still have a soft spot for film cameras.
 
IDX Mark II... a perfect cam the best choice.

Should I choose to upgrade my 4-year-old 5d3, that would be the only camera to go for. Everything considered, I knew it'd be THE perfect cam to me the very first time I saw its specs coming out. By "everything" considered, I do mean EVERYTHING. Price: it's pricey, but not too expensive. Ergonomics: large but not bulky, heavy but not too heavy. Sealing: can confidently shoot in heavy rain, snowy mountains, misty jungles, sandy beaches.... Technically, 4K@60P and 1080p@120P are both a good send for such a beast, and tracking AF in video mode is so accurate that it's absolutely a "wow!" As for low light performance, YouTube reviews have confirmed that specs on paper don't tell all of the truth: it actually can hold ground very well against all competing cams such as a7II that have higher ISO ranges on paper.... (All said, I believe I can get another 2-3 years out of my 5D3, and that's the sole reason why I'm not buying 1DX II for now.)
 
IDX Mark II... a perfect cam the best choice.

Should I choose to upgrade my 4-year-old 5d3, that would be the only camera to go for. Everything considered, I knew it'd be THE perfect cam to me the very first time I saw its specs coming out. By "everything" considered, I do mean EVERYTHING. Price: it's pricey, but not too expensive. Ergonomics: large but not bulky, heavy but not too heavy. Sealing: can confidently shoot in heavy rain, snowy mountains, misty jungles, sandy beaches.... Technically, 4K@60P and 1080p@120P are both a good send for such a beast, and tracking AF in video mode is so accurate that it's absolutely a "wow!" As for low light performance, YouTube reviews have confirmed that specs on paper don't tell all of the truth: it actually can hold ground very well against all competing cams such as a7II that have higher ISO ranges on paper.... (All said, I believe I can get another 2-3 years out of my 5D3, and that's the sole reason why I'm not buying 1DX II for now.)
If you do not need 4K video and 14FPS, U better get a 5DSR, to replace your 5D3, U will regret buying a 1DX2. A lot of my photographer CPS friends bought the 1DX2 on discount sold it at a premium and replaced it with 5DSR and a 2nd hand 1DX
 
I went from a gh4 to a c100m2 + 5d3 two camera setup, but went back to the gh4 for Two reasons: the softness of the 5d3 and 4K.

Of of course I don't deliver in 4K but the reason to shoot 4K is that I can frame a medium shot and punch in for close ups in post with no image degradation. A single camera doing the job of 2 1080p cams without the extra work in post having to syc multiple cameras.

that being said, if the 5d4 is 4K, I'll be moving to that because full frame is gorgeous and I love the canon color. The c100m2 was pretty sharp but that is because it is filming in 4K and down converting to 1080p in camera. I expect a 5d4 with 4k to be much sharper than a 1080p 5d3.
 
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