GH13 far superior to GH2

For stills, I set to A mode, auto iso, and all modes at 0. Optionally set iso limit. Then saved to C3.

GH2 has much faster AF and shorter shutter lag. Hugh improvement over GH1.
 
In tricky light GH2's touch screen and spot metering work faster than AEL and recompose.

Swivel LCD is great for candid photos. Hehe
 
GMC said:
Well, I have both (GH13 with native 24p and a GH2), and what I can say is that the GH2 is clearly better. In terms of features, resolution and also detail in dark areas where my GH13 would just smear out details whereas my GH2 doesn't to that extend. I compared motion cadence as well by placing both cams on top of each other and they are equivalent. As someone said before, it's not night and day, but clearly an improvement.

Two major observations:

(1) What is still hard to explain but clearly evident, that the differences in daylight with the Panasonic lenses are almost not there, but with legacy glass like my Canon FD 50mm f1.4 the improvement is striking. Obviously these new lenses interact differently with the sensor than the old glass. With the GH2 I'm all of a sudden getting resolution detail with the Canon FD that I never had before. Don't ask me why.

(2) white balance at nightscenes: as the GH2 takes up color a bit different than the GH13, night scenes at manual Kelvin settings are much improved. With the GH2 I don't get that nasty "orange" during night which I always had to color correct with the GH13. Hence, skin tones especially at night are vastly improved.

I always wanted a second cam hence I'm very happy with the GH2. See my first video here:

http://www.vimeo.com/22157896

If you don't need a second cam, GH13 is fine, keep it.
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Beautiful images Gunther...Wanted to now the settings you had. Was it a 50mm macro in etc mode? It looked so good!
 
manjeet singh said:
Beautiful images Gunther...Wanted to now the settings you had. Was it a 50mm macro in etc mode? It looked so good!
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GH2 in smooth mode, all setting -2 except for color saturation, always slightly underexposed. It is a Canon FD 50mm f3.5 macro lens, with 25mm extender, 50% of the time used in ETC mode. ETC is really a great feature of the GH2! As I said before, it has some neat extra features ... ;-)
 
Use what works for you. Use a Fisher Price my first camcorder PXL 2000 camera that records to high bias cassette tape if you like the look. It has a way of making everything look like old war footage found from a vault then transferred to tape.



 
lets distinguish the GH2 marketting team from the real pioneers of GH13 then we would seen thru the paradoxes of technologies
 
butler360 said:
:huh:

"Let us pierce technologie's manifold truth perchance we veil the light of marketing."
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and yet to be reminded that its better to deal with limitations as oppose to being fed technologies that overloads tolerance ...and pocket
 
lpowell said:
Unlike the video modes, the GH1's stills mode does NOT show you an accurate preview of your exposure before you take a photo. After you become familiar with the intuitive way Live View gives you a preview of your video exposure, stills mode can seem outright dysfunctional. However, there's a clever workaround you can use to preview the exposure of your still shots:

1. If you haven't already, save your current video mode settings in one of the three Custom slots.
2. Switch to the Movie Mode, set it to Manual exposure, and adjust your exposure for taking a still shot.
3. Before snapping the shutter, switch to the M stills mode. The LCD display's brightness will change, but it will retain the Movie Mode's exposure settings.
4. After taking the shot in M stills mode, switch back to Movie Mode to set the exposure for the next shot.

If you prefer A, S, or P stills modes, you can set Movie mode accordingly. It takes a little practice, but once you get in the habit of previewing your stills in Movie Mode, you'll be able to switch back and forth by touch.
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Thanks LPowell. You're right - that is exactly the dysfunctional part I am referring to, and your workaround, appreciated though it is, is sadly not offering me much comfort. It's a right pain in the ass frankly, and makes me wonder how they released it like this - did they even test it out?

You can of course press the trash button, and then the display button FOR EACH DAMN SHOT (Ahem, sorry to shout...) to get the effect of the shutter speed on the shot displayed as it should be. If anybody knows how to get this on permanently then PLEASE let me know...
 
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Again I pose the challenge to show me GH2 footage with massive detail in motion without blockies and weirdness in some areas. I have not yet seen this. Always in high detail and various shading shots I have seen GH2 codec issues. Don't show me a tripod shot where only a few parts of the image are moving.
 
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Blackout said:
Again I pose the challenge to show me GH2 footage with massive detail in motion without blockies and weirdness in some areas. I have not yet seen this. Always in high detail and various shading shots I have seen GH2 codec issues. Don't show me a tripod shot where only a few parts of the image are moving.
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So a slow tripod pan with a wide-angle would meet your criteria ? ( want to avoid rolling-shutter madness, so slow-pan shouldn't cause image skew )
 
There is no rolling shutter madness if you hand held in wide with the kit and use your body as a brace and carefully move.. but what I want to see is massive detail in motion.. like.. a fully loaded beach of people wide shot..... with waves ect... I have great shots like these on the GH13 and the detail stays in all the little moving people keep their sharp detail. The same shot turns into weird stuff in many spots on the GH2 (back when I tested a few months ago).. it's not quite MUD like the old unhacked GH1 - but it's weird. Even the shots on the AF-100 are giving me concern.. such as many of the ones of the chinese man drawing.. his face is full of weird little artifacts...

show me granite... a crowded beach... with a dolly tracking ect... or handheld slow movement or even a tripod wide shot with tons of people. crowd scene... crowded times square ect....
 
Hi Blackout,

concerning chromakeying my GH2 is not bad ( 24P ) but how good would works GH13 4:2:2 ?
I could buy tomorrow a hackable GH1, some user says better a second GH2...or two GH13, so I would appreciate your recommendation.

thanks
 
I have done a few keys with avchd and it worked very well. Some people say to use mjpeg mode but to my eyes mjpeg mode is too artifacted even though it has supposedly better color information. There are some very clean gh13 key examples on vimeo if you search. I'm not sure about GH2 green screen keys someone else would have to post on that.
 
The extra detail of the GH2 looks harsh on an LCD panel especially with gamma boosted.

I think if people projected their GH2 footage rather than pixel peeped it, their fears would be all but gone.

Projectors do magical things to DSLR footage and GH2 is no exception.

My GH2 certainly is better than my old hacked GH1, I can see various aspects that are improved especially with regard colour and high ISO noise... it's of a finer grain and there isn't the fixed pattern noise effect.
 
I project my footage. I have projected both GH13 and GH2... I preferred my GH13 with my 55mbit hack..... again though - I have to state there is MASSIVE variance in GH13s! People have hack settings all over the place, and on top of that there is massive hardware quality variance. Some people's GH13 sensors are very noisy and some are near perfect even in the lowest of light. That's why this is not a 'yes or no' question answer thread. It's taster's choice according to project.
 
Just like Mcdonald's stores. Quality varies a lot between ghetto streets and fancy streets. I had June 2009 model. My current Dec 2010 model has much better sensor.
 
I'll post some wide detail shots for people this weekend perhaps. I've shot a ton of high detail wide shots lately on the gh2 in 1080i and haven't had the type of breakup I had on my gh1(3).

So considering how well 17mb has been holding up, I can say that the quality is far better for me on the gh2 compared to the gh1(3) and my 24p tests are even better.

I've got wide angle driving shots with people, water, and skyscrapers all at once without problems.

I've also got waves, beaches, and people wandering around so if I get ambitious I'll fire some stuff up for people to peep.
 
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