GH13 Concert and Event Patch 24p

DrDave

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Update:
This is the tested version of my Concert and event patch.


I'm starting this thread for people who are interested in a high quality, 24p, stable patch for events such as weddings, concerts, theater, poetry readings, lectures and so on. And pub crawls. Maybe impossible, but progress continues to be made.
Although not always high art, I get a lot of requests to video a show, concert, event, wedding, etc., and these events typically are indoors, with poor or varied lighting.
Sometimes these events run several hours. And for these events, I sometimes prefer the IQ of the GH13 over the GH2, at ISO 400-1000.
My requirements are:
24p
Reasonably good IQ, regardless of the bitrate
Minimal pulsing (some ppl don't see it but it drives me nuts)
Fine grain at ISO 800 and usable 1600
File spanning, in case I need continuous coverage
Smooth transitions in shadows, given the limitations of the camera.
Ability to use F/5.6 on a sharp lens in places that have good lighting
Good IQ and grain with lens wide open in bad lighting.
Plays back in camera so the highlights ("overs") can be checked, and also IQ checked on a monitor.
Works on a Transcend 32gb Class 10 card or better

First off, I would like to acknowledge all those who have done the real work, including Vitaliy, cbrandin, lpowell, blackout, rigs, and many more.
Basis line: my starting point was the BP patch and lpowell's amazing high reliabilty patch. The HR patch has really served me well. It file spans reasonably well, has great IQ. It does not of course have 24p (hence the reliable part). The BP patch is also great, and is 24p, but did not span reliably. Another issue is that high bitrate patches often give low rates in low light. And theatre lighting with F/5.6 would occasionally lock up at 24p.
Along came the rigs patch, which gives HIGH rates in low light and static scenes. My static scene bit rates doubled. Also, pulsing in shadow areas is minimized.I made three changes to this patch. First, I used the suggestion to raise the buffer to 84. Next, I lowered the overall bitrate in the regular section to 36 and the minimum to 22. I found that I could not see a big difference in static scene rates of 24 as opposed to the 33 I was getting in Rigs. Also, after a certain point it seemed that noise in shadow areas became slightly more visible after the bitrate exceeded 24.
So far, in three days of testing, quality is good, file spanning is good and I get a solid 24 minutes per 4 gig chunk on my card--the reasonably priced Transcend 32gb. Mileage plus.
Like all 24p patches, I suspect it will crash, so those who really need reliability should go for lpowell's high reliability patch. As with all patches, use at your own risk.
I'm sure those better versed in the subtleties of the patch can make a better one, and I welcome suggestions.
 

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Here is my most conservative setting for the Concert and Event 24p File Spanning Patch. This patch is a heavily dialed down version of the Rigs patch. Tested with a Transcend 32gb Class 10. Several tests were made indoors at ISO 1600 at F/5.6. I choose F/5.6 as it creates a margin of error for the my usual range of F/2 to F/4. For testing I ran the camera for two hours at a time on a detailed interior scene with a variety of lighting. Average bitrate was 22, which is lower than the Rigs patch but higher than most patched for static scenes. Shadow detail and shadow transitions were considered good. I'm sure this can be improved--right now I am focusing on stability, shadow transitions and file spanning. I am favoring shadow transitions over shadow areas as I don't shoot a lot of stuff under tables but almost all video has transitions. Some theatres will of course have shadow areas, but in this case exposure and ISO are going to be the main factors. ISO 1000 looks good as well.
At this point, there are no guarantees that the file will span, and if there was a random lockup after a week of testing, it would not surprise me. I'm just working towards a patch that will have a reasonable degree of reliability. I still prefer the grain to the GH2 which is why I'm still working on refining the GH1. Plus if it can be made reliable it is just a better video cam.

Areas for future testing:
Low GOP
Pushing the bit rate ten percent higher
Class 6 card testing
Keying on settings which affect aliasing, shadow transitions, grain, fixed pattern noise, pulsing
 

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Testing and stressing the codec:
For those who wish to test--and hopefully improve the patch--set up a scene that is "2D plus". The codec is most challenged by complex scenes that are fairly flat (grass, low shrubs). That's because most of the scene is in the sweet spot of the lens. So point the cam at a cluttered book case, and add a variety of small objects like Christmas decorations. Include one object which is flat, grey and dull to check for pulsing. Make sure that the entire frame is covered. Set the cam on a tripod at shoot at F/4 or higher--I use F/5.6--with a sharp lens. The Panasonic 20mm is ideal because of the edge sharpness, plus a lot of people have this lens. Budget choice is a 50mm prime. Let the camera run for two hours. I'm looking to see how high the bitrate can be pushed and still be stable *without* adding to the grain noise. Many patches have higher noise, which for interior scenes is not ideal. Ideally, static scenes should be in the 20-24 range.
 
Thank you very much for this work Drdave, i start to hack my GH1 for this kind of event too.
i will try soon.
just quick question, do you know if its work in 1080 24p (i mean is it working too in "interlaced")? some clients will mix my footages with 1080i60 and they want all footage with same fps.
- did you notice some macroblocks in zoom out or fast pan?

well done again !!
 
Best to try lpowell's high reliablity patch if interlaced, this patch is best for 24p.
I haven't noticed any micro or macro blocks, but you can test it of course.
If you push the codec, it will not file span. Already the bitrate is very good, almost twice stock for indoor scenes. For higher bitrate, use interlaced or you can try Rigs patch. Again, you may not get file spanning. I pushed it from 22-23 up to 24-25 and it did not file span, so I lowered it to 22-23.
 
so, first, thank you so much.

i started to use to cover a conference and the image is great (before, it was very muddy, at same location). basicly, in 720p60, the bitate increase 3 times more!!!

(around 13gb for 100min).

just, i made a fast test in 1080p24 (native) (and also not native, in 1080p30 60i, with lPowell reliabily patch), and it look the motion is little bit "jerky/chopy".

i was at 1/60 shutter, but i guess more the shutter is fast, bettter is the motion, right?

sorry for this newbie question, but before i always use a video camera (FX1, mainly, great!).

i have a wedding to shoot this sunday, so i would want to figure out how i can get smooth motion of people i shoot (morever the cute bride is a friend)
for 1080p24 and 1080p25 (native)?

thank you for your advises :)

ps: just for info, my lenses are the stock 14mm-140mm
- canon 55mm f1.4
- C mount Pentax 25mm, f1.4
 
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hi :)

so, thank you for your patch and last advises!

i finaly shot the weddind and the video quality was great (despite personal shooting mistakes, haha).

i shot in 1080 25p native, with all the different lenses and i got beautiful image, with no mud (during fast zoom out too, codec was stable!!).

spanning worked too :)

amazing patch for event!
 
Thanks! Glad it worked out. There are no absolute guarantees with recording to flash cards, but it has been pretty stable so far for me.
 
Hi DrDave,

i come back to thank you again!

i use your patch since almost 4 months now for concerts/conference and "light" shooting and it works amazingly. i didnt notice any Mud, even in dark shot.

i recently shoot/edit a video "for fun" and testing some of my lens in low light.

you can see your great patch in action :

thank you :)
 
Thanks for your settings, DrDave. I tried three native 24p patches today (yours, Blackout-Powell, and lpowell 100Mpbs Max Latitude) with a 30MB/s Sandisk Extreme card, and yours was the only one that didn't suffer a recording failure. I'm going to give it another shot tomorrow, hope it holds up :)
 
Dr. Dave, thanks for working on this Concert and Event patch. How has this patch held up for you over the past year?
 
I've never heard about Dr.Dave patch until now, maybe a big mistake by my side.
Is this patch suitable with the same success and stability for 25P?
Any test available?
 
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