gh1 on the big screen
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Ben_B
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Resolution matters a bit more than size I'd say...size is just a way in which viewing distance and resolution are expressed relative to one another...the further back you are the larger a screen you need to achieve the same level of descirnible detail at the same resolution...and yeah I've seen it on a 1080p 24" screen that I was three feet from and it looked pretty darn good.
If you're talking about looking at a very large screen that then compromises image quality because the resolution doesn't scale properly, then I don't know what to tell you....hmmmm..
If you're talking about looking at a very large screen that then compromises image quality because the resolution doesn't scale properly, then I don't know what to tell you....hmmmm..
commanderspike
Carbonite Member
I've played the GH1 footage on a 50 inch Plasma and it looks stunning.
No worries here. If you want better than HD resolution (1920x1080) I really don't know what the options are. That's as high as standard consumer video resolutions go. RED? 35mm cinema camera?
The GH1's footage looks clean on a large screen, too. Most TVs (especially plasmas) and projectors do a good job of hiding the compression artefacts of AVCHD footage.
No worries here. If you want better than HD resolution (1920x1080) I really don't know what the options are. That's as high as standard consumer video resolutions go. RED? 35mm cinema camera?
The GH1's footage looks clean on a large screen, too. Most TVs (especially plasmas) and projectors do a good job of hiding the compression artefacts of AVCHD footage.
How your GH1 footage will look projected theatrically may have less to do with the GH1 and more to do with the theater's projector. My experience with theatrical projection has been maddening. Some projectors pump up the image, so that all my darkly lit scenes look washed out. Other projectors make everything look too dark. And across the board, projected images lose a lot of color saturation. The best you can do is put color bars at the beginning of your tape/file and make friends with the projectionist so he/she can calibrate the projector to your film.
Otherwise, cross your fingers, pray, and nervously pace outside the theater when your film plays.
Otherwise, cross your fingers, pray, and nervously pace outside the theater when your film plays.
Illya Friedman
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In early August a new 1-minute teaser for the film REJOUR screened at the Directors Guild Theater in Hollywood. That screen is about 45-50'. Playback was on a $100 Mediagate Media Server,
on to a Barco 2K projector.
Afterwards I was told multiple times that people were "blown away" at the image quality.
I've also screened images on about a 40' screen at the LA Film School and a about a 25-30' screen at Plaster City.
The GH1 holds up very, very well- considerably better than some MUCH more expensive cameras. This is not a flaming chariot of hyperbole- this is fact.
I just purchased a 3rd GH1 body, I'm more impressed every day.
on to a Barco 2K projector.
Afterwards I was told multiple times that people were "blown away" at the image quality.
I've also screened images on about a 40' screen at the LA Film School and a about a 25-30' screen at Plaster City.
The GH1 holds up very, very well- considerably better than some MUCH more expensive cameras. This is not a flaming chariot of hyperbole- this is fact.
I just purchased a 3rd GH1 body, I'm more impressed every day.
Jason Ramsey
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I believe the winning questfest film was shot on gh1 and was shown at the screening in hd on the big screen. looked nice.
Nitsuj
Well-known member
You know what is funny about that? The fact that it was all shot in the woods which is something everybody is soooo afraid of with the GH1. I luv it. :beer:
Illya Friedman
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H.264 Quicktime file.
MKV might be really good, but I didn't do the compression work.
LA Film School was ProRes 422. Plaster City was about 3-4 different formats/frame rates and custom resolution work. Interesting to note that several of the people I worked with at Plaster City are now over at a facility called Light Iron.
MKV might be really good, but I didn't do the compression work.
LA Film School was ProRes 422. Plaster City was about 3-4 different formats/frame rates and custom resolution work. Interesting to note that several of the people I worked with at Plaster City are now over at a facility called Light Iron.
Any chance of a tutorial video (I would prefer a manuscript, but I guess DVD/video is the way to go now days) from Hot Rod Cameras on the GH1, rather like what Bloom is outputting for the 5D?
I've been working on the smaller canon HD cams for about a year now, reading everything I can, and getting a little mentoring from an old Hollywood producer who knew film but not so much the digital stuff, so I'm no expert, but I know my way around shutter speeds and frame rates and f-stops. I am not, however, thrilled with what I'm getting with my GH1. Now granted, I've had it for about ten days, so I'm not too worried, but still, it seems like experimenting with vastly different settings isn't getting me a real crystal image in the daytime, or getting rid of the vertical banding at night.
It's now absolutely proven that this camera rocks if you 'know what you're doing', but there seems to be something slightly more too it than controlling the movement and having the correct exposure, or is there? Anyways, I think a tutorial product, or even a seminar of some sort might make you guys some money but also sell the current Hot Rod products.
I've been working on the smaller canon HD cams for about a year now, reading everything I can, and getting a little mentoring from an old Hollywood producer who knew film but not so much the digital stuff, so I'm no expert, but I know my way around shutter speeds and frame rates and f-stops. I am not, however, thrilled with what I'm getting with my GH1. Now granted, I've had it for about ten days, so I'm not too worried, but still, it seems like experimenting with vastly different settings isn't getting me a real crystal image in the daytime, or getting rid of the vertical banding at night.
It's now absolutely proven that this camera rocks if you 'know what you're doing', but there seems to be something slightly more too it than controlling the movement and having the correct exposure, or is there? Anyways, I think a tutorial product, or even a seminar of some sort might make you guys some money but also sell the current Hot Rod products.
Illya Friedman
Well-known member
I've had a few requests like this. I've resisted doing anything like that in the past, as I really hate the way a lot of educational events (and to a lesser extent training books/DVDs) are structured. Quite often the instructor has no say in the format, and in other cases the instructor is also the creator of the event, so they are the only one to thank/blame. I'm not fond of the "event creator is the educator" format. Maybe it's just me, but I feel like there's a lot of needless mysticism and snake oil sold in the way of camera related education, and very few really get it right.
The best camera training I've ever had the pleasure to attend is the quick but intensive Santa Fe Workshops, designed for professionals and priced to match. I attended several sessions and was a guest instructor at another. Everyone leaves feeling like they got way more than they expected in the price of admission (even if it was rather pricey).
I think it's really key that everyone attending an event receive written gospel- that is accurate (meaning true- that's the important part) handouts (either on paper or electronically). That way you don't have to take furious notes and potentially miss something that is being said or explained. I've been shown documents from some low-rent events put on by so-called professionals and they are shamefully fraught with inaccuracies, and speculation was added to the curriculum/DVDs, and not labeled as such. I think this is worse than no hand outs at all.
Even if a class is about art, I always want my instructor to have some serious "plummer" credentials- meaning they know why something is the way it is, not just how to perform a task, or what the manufacturer said in the manual. This is especially important for the camera crafts.
A month or so back a business associate offered to put together a series of events and asked if I wanted to be part of it, I told him I wasn't interested unless (at least theoretically) it would produce something similar to Santa Fe, but for people on a budget and experience level to match the HDSLR format. It's a little early for me to talk about anything specific, but if I'm involved, announcements would be prior to AFM.
I've gladly been giving away all the technical information that's necessary to shoot outstanding images to anyone who asks. The #1 most common problem I see from people with an issue is that the camera is not set up for best results. Before blaming the equipment (or yourself) this should be double checked. It absolutely makes a difference how the GH1 (and every) camera performs. I have a free quick start guide on the GH1 on my website blog, and if you are having doubts I think it's a great place to start. I've noticed that several other blogs/sites are now linking to it.
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Thank you Illya, I've been to your site several times, but must have skipped the blog, on my way now! And keep us posted if you do end up doing something, Santa Fe looks cool, and I definitely agree that conferences can be a delicate thing!
Chip, I am the guy who took that sailboat from St. Thomas to Bonaire, yes, and will be bringing it to Panama in a few weeks and I will be doing more filming. I am in Panama right now (I live here) and I've been testing the 720p mode largely in preparation for the boat. Maybe that's why it doesn't look quite as sharp as I'd hoped...because it's 720p. I don't know, the daytime stuff isn't horrible, it's the damn vertical lines in the darker stuff, even at low ISOs, and I'm reading everything I can to try and tweak that out or wait for it to go away.
Anyhow, thanks for the tips, you can be sure I've been reading and will continue to read the GH1 threads, and sorry to slightly hijack the thread! Good to know we can project in a theater!
Chip, I am the guy who took that sailboat from St. Thomas to Bonaire, yes, and will be bringing it to Panama in a few weeks and I will be doing more filming. I am in Panama right now (I live here) and I've been testing the 720p mode largely in preparation for the boat. Maybe that's why it doesn't look quite as sharp as I'd hoped...because it's 720p. I don't know, the daytime stuff isn't horrible, it's the damn vertical lines in the darker stuff, even at low ISOs, and I'm reading everything I can to try and tweak that out or wait for it to go away.
Anyhow, thanks for the tips, you can be sure I've been reading and will continue to read the GH1 threads, and sorry to slightly hijack the thread! Good to know we can project in a theater!
I've got a thread somewhere with tests with my 1080p Panasonic AE2000 projector.
Basically I thought 720 look poor and 1080 looked pretty good, with colour resolution on 720 being the problem. I made the point both looked good on a decent plasma, and it wasn't until you got above 42" that thinks start to be revealing.
Keller42,
Did you see this thread, it's a guy on a fishing boat in Costa Rica wih a GH1, looks great! He has some good tips.
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=183853
Did you see this thread, it's a guy on a fishing boat in Costa Rica wih a GH1, looks great! He has some good tips.
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=183853
Illya Friedman
Well-known member
DV Expo Tomorrow and Thursday
DV Expo Tomorrow and Thursday
I just wanted to offer a quick reminder to those in the LA Area, I'll be speaking at DV Expo tomorrow and projecting GH1 images- not sure the size of the screen, but they supposedly have secured a professional Barco projector. There are all kinds of terrific free presentations during the day, mine is at 5:30 and is being put on by the Digital Cinema Society. Anyone serious about digital camera crafts should consider joining.
Also on Thursday at noon is Liam Finn giving his keynote speech on REJOUER, shot entirely with a GH1 camera, he'll be showing some clips of the movie. His presentation starts at 12:00.
I think the registration code of DVBRO is still working and allows free admission to the expo floor and all keynotes/presentations.
www.dvexpo.com
DV Expo Tomorrow and Thursday
I just wanted to offer a quick reminder to those in the LA Area, I'll be speaking at DV Expo tomorrow and projecting GH1 images- not sure the size of the screen, but they supposedly have secured a professional Barco projector. There are all kinds of terrific free presentations during the day, mine is at 5:30 and is being put on by the Digital Cinema Society. Anyone serious about digital camera crafts should consider joining.
Also on Thursday at noon is Liam Finn giving his keynote speech on REJOUER, shot entirely with a GH1 camera, he'll be showing some clips of the movie. His presentation starts at 12:00.
I think the registration code of DVBRO is still working and allows free admission to the expo floor and all keynotes/presentations.
www.dvexpo.com