GH1 and T2i which is the one, no flame here

Oh I think this is going pretty peacefully, isn't it?

I've been a GH1 shooter far more than a Canon shooter, and I'm really thrilled about the hack. I will agree that I'd trust a 7 or 5D in really dark situations over my GH1, though. It's fine to say I should never be shooting underexposed enough to cause FPN on the GH1, but the fact is, the sorts of documentary situations I often find myself in, it happens a lot.

On the other perceived advantage of the Canons...while it's hard to get as Wide on the GH1 (or just expensive), some of comparisons we've seen now of hacked GH1 vs 5D...it really seems like the GH1 wins handily for deep focus work. So, it might be easier to get a wide FOV on the Canons, but if it's going to be soft and full of moire, I guess it might be worth spending the money to get wide on the GH1, instead.
 
Svart said:
have you seen the 5d/GH1 shootout over at EOSHD? pretty convincing that they are very similar..
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Yeah, seen the shoot out but owning both cameras, I still notice the GH1 just feels nastier (that's a technical term, lol) in low light than the 5D. No side by side tests to back it up, mind, just my subjective experience using both cameras. But I'll try to do a test with the new firmware and see what's what. I think really it's the FPN that gets to me on the GH1. I prefer the noise of the 5D even at 12,800 to the GH1 at 1600 once that damned FPN shows up...
 
My GH1 arrived when they first released last year and I shot with it for just over 3 months. I loved this camera but sold it for a 7D because pulldown is not
cool when you give media to a client. If I did not own a vDSLR right now I would buy a japanese GH1 body on ebay and join in the fun with hacking it.
But I'm in the middle of production with aps-c sensors so I'm going to pass.

Generally speaking the camera market is in free fall and things are changing fast, sometimes from month to month.
Don't fall in love with your camera and start defending it because you invested in it.
Its a tool nothing more. ROI your equipment fast and flip the cams when you can.

Never forget that a year from now all these DSLR's will have depreciated equally.

To all the t2i and 7d shooters – there is nothing wrong with shooting canon just because the GH1 has more than caught up. Don't let anyone put you down saying the GH1 is better. They are just
tools and its what you do with it that counts.

To all the GH1 shooters - I applaud you all, for quite a while the GH1 has suffered shtick as being inferior and I have always been fast to point out that is has always been a fave of mine and an
elegant camera. With this hack you guys are in the spot light and deservedly so. Enjoy it.
 
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J [I said:
To all the t2i and 7d shooter[/I]s – there is nothing wrong with shooting canon just because the GH1 has more than caught up. Don't let anyone put you down saying the GH1 is better. They are just
tools and its what you do with it that counts.

To all the GH1 shooters - I applaud you all, for quite a while the GH1 has suffered shtick as being inferior and I have always been fast to point out that is has always been a fave of mine and an
elegant camera. With this hack you guys are in the spot light and deservedly so. Enjoy it.
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++++ 1:thumbsup:
 
I have to admit, I'm enjoying my 7D overall (sold the GH1). This hack really has me pumped on the capabilities of the AF100 though.
 
Oedipax said:
Yeah, seen the shoot out but owning both cameras, I still notice the GH1 just feels nastier (that's a technical term, lol) in low light than the 5D. No side by side tests to back it up, mind, just my subjective experience using both cameras. But I'll try to do a test with the new firmware and see what's what. I think really it's the FPN that gets to me on the GH1. I prefer the noise of the 5D even at 12,800 to the GH1 at 1600 once that damned FPN shows up...
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That's cool. Let us see some vids or screens of your findings! More data never hurt anyone.
 
Ian-T said:
Throw some post sharpening on the Canon’s and they look the same as the GH-1 (with the exception of that weird smoothing effect you sometimes get). As nice as the Gh-1’s image is I’ve always noticed an in-camera sharpening on the GH-1 that makes the image look artificially over-sharpened. Where it really stuck out for me was the first series in the Zacuto shootout…the GH-1 was sharper than them all….including the film.
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Even 'cause sharpness or resolution is not everything. This compulsion over the boards is pure lack of knowledge about what makes a cinematic outcome. A 5D Mark II plus an Iscorama produces a better result than a GH1 with the same kind of glass. It speaks the results I've had.

And someone who has preferred the GH1 over the 5D Mark II for a certain purpose. And the 5D Mark II even over the RED ONE for another ones.

It doesn't matter the bitrate you have (even if revolutionary :-) when there are other variables on the way.
 
Does anyone know then when we might be seeing some new DSLRs? I like the Gh1 and also like the t2i so there is no preference. The main problem with the Gh1 though is the crop factor and this is something I am always fighting with so that's the main reason I sold it.

Maybe I might just wait a while longer and see if a newer Canon or GH comes out. Or just keep shooting with my T2i and try to make some more money and buy a better camera when I can afford one.

Thank you for the help people
 
Well, the rumor mill is never-ending. Buy the camera you need for the job now, and don't worry about future cameras until they've got a firm release date announced. Anything else is just asking for headaches and bad feelings (see: Scarlet).
 
Oedipax said:
Well, the rumor mill is never-ending. Buy the camera you need for the job now, and don't worry about future cameras until they've got a firm release date announced. Anything else is just asking for headaches and bad feelings (see: Scarlet).
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+1

And as J Davis already pointed out:

Generally speaking the camera market is in free fall and things are changing fast, sometimes from month to month.
Don't fall in love with your camera and start defending it because you invested in it.
Its a tool nothing more. ROI your equipment fast and flip the cams when you can.
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Buy based on need, invest in lenses and other accessories that don't go obsolete and treat the camera body as something you'll upgrade each year. If you don't need a camera then wait a couple months to see what else comes out.
 
Barry_Green said:
Have you tried it with the GH13 firmware update? You might be surprised.
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Not yet. For some current reason, the 5D Mark II is my pocket camera ;-) But sure I will when I'll be back home :-) Nonetheless, I could bet the Iscorama asks the Canon smoothness better. Strange thing is the aliasing's fake detail seems to offer an interesting combination to the deal. As we know, the secret is in a cooking of factors. Sugar is always better for dessert and salt as aperitif. What we put in front of the camera can change everything. Glass is 50% of the batch.
 
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Emanuel said:
Not yet. For some current reason, the 5D Mark II is my pocket camera ;-) But sure I will when I'll be back home :-) Nonetheless, I could bet the Iscorama asks the Canon smoothness better. Strange thing is the aliasing's fake details seems to offer an interesting combination to the deal. As we know, the secret is in a cooking of factors. Sugar is always better for dessert and salt as aperitif. What we put in front of the camera can change everything. Glass is 50% of the bargain.
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ANd, in saying this, that means a PL mount GH-1 (far far cheaper than an MKii with PL mount and much more flexible, since just about any PL glass including 16mm will cover the GH-1 sensor) has the potential to rip grass.

Although for the hobbyist or new shooter, maybe a PL mount and renting lenses isn't an option to get the best quality. Neither is picking up an Iscorama and only being limited to a 50mm (Maybe 28mm equivalent) focal length.

What I mean to say that since the GH1 became the GH13--still in progress, since there's now 4:2:2 JPEG mode and we can probably expect 24p and a lot of other improvements soon--and most people haven't really shot anything serious, this comparison thread and most of the second-hand comments are pretty moot.

Right now, there shouldn't be any which one threads until the GH13's had time to play in more hands.
 
Kholi said:
ANd, in saying this, that means a PL mount GH-1 (far far cheaper than an MKii with PL mount and much more flexible, since just about any PL glass including 16mm will cover the GH-1 sensor) has the potential to rip grass.
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Right Kholi. I was referring the Iscorama glass, though. It offers a unique feel.
 
Kholi said:
Although for the hobbyist or new shooter, maybe a PL mount and renting lenses isn't an option to get the best quality. Neither is picking up an Iscorama and only being limited to a 50mm (Maybe 28mm equivalent) focal length.
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You're not referring 'that' limitation but only on the wide end as widest focal length, right? ;-)
 
Isaac_Brody said:
. . . invest in lenses and other accessories that don't go obsolete and treat the camera body as something you'll upgrade each year. . .
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This was one of the selling points for the GH1 when I was looking a couple of months ago (before I realized there would be this wonderful firmware patch).

With a FFD of only 20mm, I can get adapters for the GH1 to use the large assortment of glass I have accumulated over the last thirty some years. Everything from Canon FD to Nikon F to Cine Lenses to Leica to Hasselblad. You can adapt them all to the GH1. Add to that the Live View optical viewfinder (with diopter adjustment) and the focus assist, and now all the manual focus lenses, even the wide angle ones, are a dream to work with.

With the Canon, you are somewhat limited to very high quality (but also expensive) Canon EF lenses or the few Zeiss offerings, unless you are willing to pay thousands of dollars to have the front of the camera torn off and replaced with a PL mount, which then limits you to PL mount lenses.

I find the GH1 much more versatile when it comes to high quality glass.

Best,
-Tim
 
Kholi said:
ANd, in saying this, that means a PL mount GH-1 (far far cheaper than an MKii with PL mount and much more flexible, since just about any PL glass including 16mm will cover the GH-1 sensor) has the potential to rip grass.
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Just to point out, through quite a bit of testing I must report that most 16mm glass in the 8mm to 25mm range will NOT cover the GH1 sensor. You get serious vignetting. Most 16mm glass in the 50mm to 75mm range will cover the GH1 sensor.

Also to be noted, with the Canon full frame sensor cameras, many of the older wide angle 35mm glass, especially the 35mm cine lenses like the Cooke Speed Panchros and Zeiss Standard Speed primes, will not cover the full frame sensor. With the lenses wider than 25mm you get a situation known as port holing, which looks like vignetting, but is actually caused by the light rays coming off the back of the lens at such an angle that they will not reach to the bottom of the little pockets that hold the sensor pixels. They work fine for full frame 35mm film because film grain doesn't care what angle the light comes from, but for a CMOS sensor to record an image, the light needs to be coming pretty straight into the front of the sensor. The RED ONE camera has this same issue.

Best,
-Tim
 
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