GH1 24fps out of the box??

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Homunculus

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Hi guys. I'm a GH1. I finally just purchased it tonight.

A few questions please if ya'll don't mind that I can't seem to pinpoint through my research.

When out of the box I use the film mode, what is it filming in? 30fps or 24fps or what? Do I require the tester13 hack to make it 24fps? Or is that only to make it ultra HD?

Second question is, I've heard that you need a class 10 or some sort of high class card to do the hack. I have the stock 8gb card that comes with the GH1, I'm not sure what class it is but probably something low. Will that hack work on that or should I get a higher class card?

So in short, the 1st question was... do I need to hack this to get 24fps to get a film "look" to it?

Thanks!
 
No. The GH1 shoots 1080/24p. The problem is that it's encoded inside a 60i file, so you have to remove pulldown, which is a pain since you can't do it with regular editing programs. The difference the hack makes is in the word 'native'.

The GH1 can use a class 6 card with no problem with the original firmware. Below that is not recommended, if I recall correctly. The only way to know if your combination of settings and card will work is to test it. There are numerous threads on this forum with a lot of discussion about what works and what doesn't, I recommend reading up on those. If you don't know what the hack does, why you need it or exactly how to use it you should stick with what Panasonic gave you.
 
there is no need to remove pulldown if using adobe premiere 4.1 or 5.0 to edit if using a 24p sequence. its done automatically without rendering needed. also, was able to shoot 1080 with the 'b' setting on a class 2 card. really depends on the footage probably. class 10 have dropped a lot in price lately, so probably worth while getting that to be safe.
 
Cassius said:
No. The GH1 shoots 1080/24p. The problem is that it's encoded inside a 60i file, so you have to remove pulldown, which is a pain since you can't do it with regular editing programs. The difference the hack makes is in the word 'native'.

The GH1 can use a class 6 card with no problem with the original firmware. Below that is not recommended, if I recall correctly. The only way to know if your combination of settings and card will work is to test it. There are numerous threads on this forum with a lot of discussion about what works and what doesn't, I recommend reading up on those. If you don't know what the hack does, why you need it or exactly how to use it you should stick with what Panasonic gave you.
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So you're saying that the camera shoots 24p however when I play it back it will be 60FPS because it's encoded in the 60i file? So basically when I am playing back the videos I shoot stock (without any editing) I am seeing 60fps correct?

So the only way to natively view my videos in 24p without having to do advanced "pulldown" (I have no idea what that even means) is to do the hack correct?

As per your last statement, well I sort of know what the hack does now, and I do need it because I want my video quality to be the best possible so despite being a noob I'm afraid I don't want to just stick with "what panasonic gave me" simply because the sole purpose of my BUYING the panasonic was because of the hack. I.E. I would have never even considered the GH1 if it wasn't my finding out about the hack, otherwise I would have saved up more/longer and possibly got the 5dmkii or something else because I'm not super impressed with GH1 pre-hack footage.
 
My point is that you won't see any improvement until you learn thoroughly. Messing with the firmware of anything is a good way to make your equipment useless, and a lot of times it voids warranties. Just don't jump straight into it. Sorry if my wording was a bit harsh, that starts to happen at the end of the day.

Anyway, there are programs that can convert your footage into proper 24p. The forum John linked you to will give you more information on that. From what I understand 24p is the most touchy part of the hack, so enabling that may or may not work for you.
 
The hack isn't really going to do anything to help bad footage, and if you don't know what pulldown is you probably shouldn't be screwing around with the camera's bit rates. And if you do, I don't suggest doing any professional work with it...at least not anything that you're not prepared to shoot over again. I've had the codec apparently fail with the factory settings...so you WILL be compromising the stability of the codec by ramping it up with a "hacK'...pushing the camera to do something it wasn't intended to do. If you're shooting a scene for a movie...go for it. If you're shooting a wedding or your kid's birthday party, you might wanna leave it at its factory settings. "Mud" is often a problem with the shooter...and not always the camera's fault. Photo flashes and shakey handheld camera work in a highly detailed scene will for sure slap you with mud.

Also keep in mind by upping the bit rate, you're equally lowering the recording time you get on a card. So in addition to FASTER cards...you need LARGER cards. Again, probably not a big deal if you're shooting scenes for an indie film. Not good if you're shooting vacation video for 5 days.

Removing the pulldown is no big deal at all. I can't imagine anyone wanting to punish their computer by editing AVCHD anyways. I use Neoscene to convert to Cineform AVI, which you can edit on a Commodore 64, and removing pulldown is as difficult as checking a box.

Unless you're shooting outdoors on a bright Sunny day, or have a Hollywood movie lighting kit, you probably won't be impressed with test footage with the kit lens if you're a newbie. It's a great lens...it's just really slow...it's a kit lens. For me, the Lumix 20mm f1.7 and Lumix 45mm f2.8 are must-haves in MY kit. (The 7-14mm and 45-200mm are pretty nifty as well.) If you're shooting indie films, however, you can adapt manual primes to it. Just keep in mind that those lenses were probably designed for full-frame cameras, and the GH1 has a 2x crop...similar to doubling the focal length of the lens.

Good luck, it's a pretty cool little camera. Not to mention...it takes pretty nice pictures as well, for such a tiny little package! And even better now, is that you can always re-install the factory firmware, if you have problems with the hack, or need the extra recording time!
 
What people don't know is that THE HACK also includes magic powers that make the camera owner an instant star cinematographer. Just buy the GH1 apply "THE HACK" and get ready for Hollywood! Is that simple nowadays. LOL!
 
John Caballero said:
What people don't know is that THE HACK also includes magic powers that make the camera owner an instant star cinematographer. Just buy the GH1 apply "THE HACK" and get ready for Hollywood! Is that simple nowadays. LOL!
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Man, I looked everywhere for "star cinematographer" patch in PTool 3.36. Is it in some special version? I've read on the Not To Be Named blog they charge for special firmware and magic settings. Some one hook me up please!!!
 
My belief is that new patch hasn't changed the way the camera shoots. It has always been able to get great shots and new owners don't appreciate this. It is only now with the patch that we can now get some more IQ and reliability in 1080 and Mjpeg. New owners should really just shoot as much as they can with it stock and in turn learn how to shoot and use the camera before applying the patch. They will then appreciate the patch a lot more.

I have seen plenty of fantastic footage's shot on the gh1 prior to all this hoo-haa.
 
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