Fuji X-T3 released
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marvinhello
Well-known member
It's already improved compared to X-T2/X-H1, mostly due to the new sensor being more power efficient.
puredrifting
Major Contributor
I have to say, after shooting with the X-T3 quite a bit the past couple of months, recording sound in camera is nothing but convenience but it doesn't sound good. The quality of the mic pre-amps on all of the mirrorless is sub-par compared to even a real video camera like the C200. If sound is important to you as a DP/videographer/content creator, you record dual system sound. I highly recommend buying a Zoom F4, Mix Pre 3 or other high quality recording device. Dual system sound, especially with the advent of Tentacle Syncs and small stand alone recorders has gone from what used to be a huge PITA to a minor inconvenience with the sync functions built into FCP X and Premiere. I am done recording sound beyond ambient sound, with a mirrorless. It's too important to me to use a sub par recording from a mirrorless. Of course, YMMV, but from what I have seen and heard, an external XLR unit is not on the map for Fuji. The sound on the X-T3 is average for a mirrorless, which is to say not very good.
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Bassman2003
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I consider the XLR unit on the GH5 as being above the normal headphone jack audio of a hybrid camera. It is actually quite nice when compared to my PX270 cameras or my Marantz 661 with the Oade preamp mod. So I do not want my point misconstrued. When I say Fuji would need to commit to pro video I mean take the steps to be able to record good sound in-camera. This is what
Panasonic did and it is a great tool. It will never be a Sound Devices level tool but lets be honest, neither will any hybrid camera. Does most corporate work need a SD level audio device? I am talking about realistic working pro level quality in the mirrorless camera. Imho, Panasonic achieved this and other camera makers would be wise to follow if they want folks to leave Panasonic products.
Panasonic did and it is a great tool. It will never be a Sound Devices level tool but lets be honest, neither will any hybrid camera. Does most corporate work need a SD level audio device? I am talking about realistic working pro level quality in the mirrorless camera. Imho, Panasonic achieved this and other camera makers would be wise to follow if they want folks to leave Panasonic products.
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Matt Gottshalk
Resident Preditor
I think you have 2 different philosophies with both companies, which explains it.
Panasonic with the GH series is a video-centric camera, and everything else (including taking stills) take a backseat to that priority.
Fuji with the X series cameras is a stills-centric camera line, and everything else (including video) take a backseat to that priority.
Doesn't change the fact that the video coming out of the camera is stunning, but I would not expect an XLR module coming from Fuji.
puredrifting
Major Contributor
I'd bet money you won't see an XLR module from them, at least within the next year or two.
mothmachine
Active member
Is there some reason you can't use a 3rd party pre-amp like Beachtek to record in camera? I have that working well with my GH4, just have to set it up right so the recording volume is set as needed on the beachtek while it is minimized on the GH4. It's probably not to the standard of a mix pre 3 but ... is the idea that even if you turn down the record volume in the camera all the way, you're still picking up noise from the camera's preamps?
DLD thinks too highly of himself, I say.
And the buddy-buddy cartel of the Japanese photo-video conglomerates is why the global market went from ~ 120,000,000 units shipped in 2010 to under 20,000,000 in 2018. Their management blames the smartphone industry but those ought to have been slicing only a small portion of the overall market due to the fact that even an inexpensive point&shoot with a zoom ought to have performed on a much higher level than a smartphone camera. As it is, cameras are 30%-50% overpriced at the retail level and a tech cycle (of about two years) behind in features and quality across the lineups.
And feature crippling is as bad as it's ever been.
PS. Am I on the wrong site? How's everybody?
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Annoying other people in other places, I reckon.
I lurk here now and again.
And the photo-video camera industry is likely to collapse onto itself. The years of the $50,000 medium format cameras appear to be over, as Panny S1R ability to get 187 MPX largely makes a need for those superfluous while the multi-camera/multi-sensor smartphones with a pixel-shift technology will make a jump in performance to come "close enough" to the DSLR/DSLM consumer market. In other words, the meat of the market is being squeezed from both ends, high and low.
https://www.tomsguide.com/us/sony-imx586-camera-phone-sensor,news-27666.html
These kinds of posts aren't very popular around here. Keep it up! haha. Yeah (good) computational cameras will be cool.
What else will we be able to argue about on this forum titled, "The Online Community for Filmmaking". Maybe we'll have to (pixel)shift focus to creating & debating good content?
How about this (off topic but nonetheless)
Yesterday, NVIDIA announced a server based on its GPU cards. Here, I assume, you know way more than I do. (as on most topics). At some point, a 100% CGI based film will become less expensive to make than a live action project. And, a few years down the road, it will be like a radio show converted into moving pictures. In real time.
And cameras, XT-3 included, will turn into an inexpensive paperweight.
groveChuck
U-matic Member
Even if/when computational photorealistic cinema becomes possible (for some shots it already is), there's been a bit of a shift back to practicals, and I think humans enjoy making movies the old fashioned way, in the same way humans enjoy making humans. Virtual/artificial will never be as good as the real thing.
That said I've had fun experimenting with camera simulation aspects of 3D rendering with virtual reality on my iPhone X (depth of field, chromatic aberration, highlight bloom, motion blur, and physically based rendering (PBR) materials (along with realistic physics (built in) and custom fluid dynamics for flight modeling (so easy in floating point haha)). And 3D HRTF spatialized audio that moves appropriately with the head tracker! Everything is so easy now. Back in the day we had to code uphill both ways in the snow using pedal cranked generators to power our computers and we had to write everything in Fortran! (still better than Lisp haha! I still balance my parentheses if anyone's been paying attention).
Back on topic- I wonder if I can port this to run on the Fuji X-T3 (just a bit more cost than an iPhone X)- would anyone buy it for $4.99?
Yeah, the story needs work and the director was on break when the camera rolled. The question is can we still get close to 60fps running it on the Fuji X-T3?
No additional license required.
The human and the non-human/CGI/Mocap faces will be indistinguishable from one another, way beyond the Uncanny Valley.
Fortran??? I used to code in binary. I mean, PL1. High school days.
puredrifting
Major Contributor
Welcome back DLD, it's been a while!
To add to this conversation, I met a National Geographic photographer the other night at a party. Nice guy, started showing me stuff he has shot, of course, on his phone. No I mean he has sold most of his camera gear and actually shoots on his iPhone. He shoots a lot in the Antarctic but he also shoots all around the world and his main tool is the iPhone XS. He's won some pretty prestigious awards, he's friendly with Phil Schiller and the Apple team and he tests new updates and improvements for them. He is kind of the timelapse king and has a ton of work he sells as stock and other than the long term plant cameras/game cameras, he is shooting everything on his iPhone. And I have to say, he showed me some low light stuff shot on his iPhone that actually didn't look like crap like my 8 Plus looks in low light. Computational photography is definitely here. This guy works at pretty high levels of still (He was the BBC Wildlife Photographer of the Year) and timelapse and he is making a living with just his iPhone. Amazing. People don't believe me (and JCS) when we say in just a few short years, people will look back at cameras like the C300 MKII and the Sony FS7 MKII and laugh because their phone will dwarf what those two cameras can do. I don't think phones will replace things like Panavisions, REDs and Alexas because filmmaking will still be crew served but for the mid to low end, phones, phones, phones.
I'm really digging what the X-T3 can do though, it's impressive as hell for a high end cell phone price.
To add to this conversation, I met a National Geographic photographer the other night at a party. Nice guy, started showing me stuff he has shot, of course, on his phone. No I mean he has sold most of his camera gear and actually shoots on his iPhone. He shoots a lot in the Antarctic but he also shoots all around the world and his main tool is the iPhone XS. He's won some pretty prestigious awards, he's friendly with Phil Schiller and the Apple team and he tests new updates and improvements for them. He is kind of the timelapse king and has a ton of work he sells as stock and other than the long term plant cameras/game cameras, he is shooting everything on his iPhone. And I have to say, he showed me some low light stuff shot on his iPhone that actually didn't look like crap like my 8 Plus looks in low light. Computational photography is definitely here. This guy works at pretty high levels of still (He was the BBC Wildlife Photographer of the Year) and timelapse and he is making a living with just his iPhone. Amazing. People don't believe me (and JCS) when we say in just a few short years, people will look back at cameras like the C300 MKII and the Sony FS7 MKII and laugh because their phone will dwarf what those two cameras can do. I don't think phones will replace things like Panavisions, REDs and Alexas because filmmaking will still be crew served but for the mid to low end, phones, phones, phones.
I'm really digging what the X-T3 can do though, it's impressive as hell for a high end cell phone price.
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