(fs700) why so many video shooting with this camera are overexposed?
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Matthew Bennett
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I'm seeing this too. I feel like I'm looking at 6-bit color or something, the color just feels stretched and... well, not thick.
It's just a general clippy, over exposed, thin color, thin tonality look....
It's just a general clippy, over exposed, thin color, thin tonality look....
Teodor Miljevic
Active member
Because believe it or not most people are bad photographers. I cry every time I go out to look at material on vimeo it is just plain impossible to judge anything on vimeo (and I'm not referring to the bad encoding) due to the lack of talent. The only difference with fs700 is that all the crappy stuff is going to be in super slowmo now. People just don't know how to expose cinegammas so they put the skin tones to high where the colors get compressed leaving you with something equivalent of 6-bit color or even worse. Regarding over exposure I've seen that europeans and people in the Us focus on different things (it's something I have observed it's not true for everyone). In the US people are very obsessed with noise to the fact that they would rather blow some highlights to expose to the right to keep noise down while in europe we tend to hate blown highlights to the point that we rather take a noise hit in exchange for pictures without blown highlights. Since cinegammas are more compressed in the top I think the school of underexposing will fare better with cinegammas. I understand the need to compromise if you are shooting for delivery but I am talking about shorts that should have the time to grade afterwards.
Another thing is that people can't grade their material. They use the godawful magic bullet that introduces so much false color to anyone watching the clip can have no idea how well the camera actually performs.
The above is the answer why every camera looks bad on the internet. I thank canon for taking in professionals to really show us what their cameras can do.
Another thing is that people can't grade their material. They use the godawful magic bullet that introduces so much false color to anyone watching the clip can have no idea how well the camera actually performs.
The above is the answer why every camera looks bad on the internet. I thank canon for taking in professionals to really show us what their cameras can do.
nyvz
Veteran
Might be clipped superwhites? Very common in my experience, same reason I always shoot broadcast safe. Trust me the FS700 can look amazing, but most people don't make a habit of tweaking the picture profiles to look great or even know how to do so. Picture profiles are the translation between a great sensor and a limited recording format, and if not used very carefully can give you ugly results just like on pretty much any other lower-end professional video camera. DSLRs may have better color and gamma out of the box by a little bit but have almost no ability to tweak the look and often have downsides in doing so, whereas with the right picture profile you can get consistently better results from an FS700. It can easily look as good as cameras that costs twice as much (C300, Scarlet) that have half as many features.
Oh yeah and vimeo like just about any other encoder/decoder must also be handled properly and given proper input files to avoid clipping and gamma/color shifting.
Oh yeah and vimeo like just about any other encoder/decoder must also be handled properly and given proper input files to avoid clipping and gamma/color shifting.
Postmaster
Dark Side of the Camera
It's not Colorista or Looks. They are great tool and I use them all the time, but - as always - you have to know what you are doing and stay away from the presets.
Frank
Nirv
Carbonite Member
I agree with much of this apart from it being a cultural thing.
But... Not everyone has the time or budget to grade and reclaim super whites and whatever the camera op supplies often hits the screen. That is a problem for a lot of productions on either side of the Atlantic.
There is also a new breed of colourist who haven't got a clue what they're doing but have downloaded Davinci Resolve and have worked out how to crush blacks, cuz that's all colourists do right? I'm not a fan of Magic Bullet because there isn't a magic bullet wrt grading. If someone can't read a scope or legalise video then dumping preset looks over the footage compounds the problem.
It comes down to equipment and software getting into the hands of people who don't yet have the skills to make the best use of the tools. Which is a good thing because there's still a market for skilled people.
Teodor Miljevic
Active member
Of course you can use magic bullet for finishing. I stabbed at magic bullet in regards to the color comment that color looked poor and that reminded me that tools like that introduce a lot of false color (making it hard to judge a cameras basic picture quality). I mean if people think they get can get a good result using MB either by presets or delicately tuned settings who am I to judge. The second thing that makes me hate MB is that it sells the illusion that you can put any look on any material and it is simply just not true 60% of the look is done in art direction. But that is subject for another thread in a another part of the forum.
@nirv
The thing with exposure and noise was just an observation of people attending this and other forums I follow, especially around camera discussions. I don't think it's a cultural thing I have just noticed that it tends to be a statistical lean towards these two priorities.
FWIW you'll find this if you search pretty much any camera currently on the market, Epic included. I know Scarlet and the C300 can take great images for example - Scarlet has RAW / C300 has Clog - very useful tools that many dont know how to expose for correctly and Im not just talking subjectively as in a culture difference about preference. Im talking just incorrect exposure.
SergeSmArt
Well-known member
I don't see any overexposed on this samples:
http://www.sergecinema.com/temp/00011.MTS / http://www.sergecinema.com/temp/00020.MTS
http://www.sergecinema.com/temp/00021.MTS / http://www.sergecinema.com/temp/00022.MTS
..and I don't even see a "limit of the 8 bit of color" ... FS-700 surprise me how well it hold highlights and tranasparent shadows in this very constrast lighting condition !! much better than FS-100.. and way better than any DSRL....
Why many people don't know how to expose properly is another question..
. ... most of them don't even know what for they live on Earth .. some of them even belive in God, Power or Money and in Mute Romney.. AndrewTaran
Active member
Magic Bullet Looks is like an iMovie of color grading. You could use it for fun
Postmaster
Dark Side of the Camera
No, most of my grading is done there and it goes to broadcast and silverscreen without any problem.
You can even do things with Looks and Colorista, that are only hard to do or impossible with Speedgrade and other "higher" programs.
But as I said, don`t just slap a preset on the material.
You can even do things with Looks and Colorista, that are only hard to do or impossible with Speedgrade and other "higher" programs.
But as I said, don`t just slap a preset on the material.
I don't see any overexposed on this samples:
http://www.sergecinema.com/temp/00011.MTS / http://www.sergecinema.com/temp/00020.MTS
http://www.sergecinema.com/temp/00021.MTS / http://www.sergecinema.com/temp/00022.MTS
..and I don't even see a "limit of the 8 bit of color" ... FS-700 surprise me how well it hold highlights and tranasparent shadows in this very constrast lighting condition !! much better than FS-100.. and way better than any DSRL....
Why many people don't know how to expose properly is another question..
thanks, shot with kit lens 18-200?
Could be clipped superwhites or superwhites brought down the wrong way, for example by only lowering the top end of the curve.
I can assure, that the 700 looks better than the 100, rolls off very nicely in cine 1, colours are better (reds!!!), resolution is a little better, but it´s considerably more noisy.
If there are a lot of examples with overexposure, well, it´s just because it was shot and/or graded badly
I can assure, that the 700 looks better than the 100, rolls off very nicely in cine 1, colours are better (reds!!!), resolution is a little better, but it´s considerably more noisy.
If there are a lot of examples with overexposure, well, it´s just because it was shot and/or graded badly
Chris Johnston
Veteran
Are you talking about the translucent girl in front, the zombie guy behind her, or the albino couple walking away?
Now that F3 shot looks overexposed.
Did my first real test on Sunday and I like what I got. Much happier with the footage than my Canon DSLRs. I think in hindsight, I should have underexposed a little more using Cinegamma 1. I was shooting with the histogram balance to the middle / a little to the left. I think I could have gone more to the left, especially on the outdoors stuff.
As for Magic Bullet, it's just another tool. I think the Pre-sets can be a good place to get a quick look going, then you tweak it to customize it. I think Looks is more useful for Music video style coloring as it can be really drastic. Definitely needs refinement, but when used correctly, you can get some great looks out of it.
Did my first real test on Sunday and I like what I got. Much happier with the footage than my Canon DSLRs. I think in hindsight, I should have underexposed a little more using Cinegamma 1. I was shooting with the histogram balance to the middle / a little to the left. I think I could have gone more to the left, especially on the outdoors stuff.
As for Magic Bullet, it's just another tool. I think the Pre-sets can be a good place to get a quick look going, then you tweak it to customize it. I think Looks is more useful for Music video style coloring as it can be really drastic. Definitely needs refinement, but when used correctly, you can get some great looks out of it.
Nirv
Carbonite Member
Are you talking about the translucent girl in front, the zombie guy behind her, or the albino couple walking away?
You've never seen a Brummie then?
Give them 2 more days of sun they'll be lobster coloured and stinking of suncream and fish n chips. The Great British holidaymaker... She even had a kiss me quick hat on. Bingo!
There hasn't been much Sun in the UK this summer so the pasty look is in.
The shot isn't over exposed, people really are that pale in the UK. Quite different to the leathery oven baked look of Florida no doubt.