FS7: FS7 With SELP18200?

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infohou

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Howdy,

So my Nikon 24-70/f2.8G works well with the Speedbooster Ultra. Unfortunately when using a rental Canon 24-105L I realized the 24-70 is not going to be long enough. Also for run and gun, the power zoom is almost a necessity.

Any of you fine Folk using or tried the SELP18200 which Sony recommends in the F7 manual?

Getting poorer all the time:-)

Thanks,
Robert
 
I have the 18-200PZ and I'm not to delighted. The power zoom is slow and I don't find auto focus to be that good. But I haven't got the chance to do something real with the lens yet. Remember it's a slow lens zoomed in.
 
Osslund said:
I have the 18-200PZ and I'm not to delighted. The power zoom is slow and I don't find auto focus to be that good. But I haven't got the chance to do something real with the lens yet. Remember it's a slow lens zoomed in.
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Thanks for the reply.

Surprised about the slow zoom, hopefully that can be fixed with a firmware update. You try it on a stills cam to see if it is the lens or the FS7? When you say "slow lens zoomed in" if you mean the fstop that should not be an issue as I have a pretty bright on cam LED and indoors would probably use my 28-70/2.8G. Auto Focus not really an issue although I think Dan Chung said hit the button and it works fine.

The slow zooming speed is an issue. Maybe I will rent one and see how it works for me. I want something reasonably priced that is sharp, covers the distance, and power zooms. Also, I am counting on them to fix the focus wheel issue, particularly with their own lenses.

'Preciate it,
Robert
 
I used to have the 18-200 power zoom, but sold it along with the EA50 I got it with. It was great for filming stage performances, although a bit slow for the darker venues.
I found the autofocus to work really well with it combined with face detection. The active image stabilisation also worked fairly well. I was never bothered by the slow zooming. I really miss that lens.
I pretty much only used it for filming live performances on stage though, so that's my main experience with it.
 
The "slow" zoom on the SELP 18-200 can *not* be fixed through firmware. It is just the way the mechanics of this lens work. Even when using the zoom switch on the lens barrel in "high" mode, zooming is relatively slow, regardless of which video or stills body it's mounted on. However, I personally don't mind this, since it makes it very easy do do creeping zooms with this lens.

Overall a great lens for **run & gun** work. It is one of the few lenses supporting active steady shot, so it gives an extra smooth result. Focus is not noticeably better or worse than any other AF lens on the FS700 or FS7. That is to say, the FS7 is not going to blow anyone away with it's AF performance, and since it lacks the face detection of the FS700, I found the FS7's AF to be even more sluggish that the FS700's. Never mind that the FS7 can only AF at *three* frame rates - 24, 30 & 60 (and their PAL equivalents)... however that is not the fault of the lens, and the discussion is about the lens.

On the FS7, active steady shot was noticeably more steady in 1080p mode than it was in 4K mode. No idea why...
 
How does face detection work on the FS 700? . If its so much better I wonder why they dropped it for FS7 .
I have a friend who loves the 18-200 on his FS700 and that may partly be it .
Ill bet this is something Canon will include on its C300 upgrade
 
infohou said:
Howdy,

So my Nikon 24-70/f2.8G works well with the Speedbooster Ultra. Unfortunately when using a rental Canon 24-105L I realized the 24-70 is not going to be long enough. Also for run and gun, the power zoom is almost a necessity.

Any of you fine Folk using or tried the SELP18200 which Sony recommends in the F7 manual?

Getting poorer all the time:-)

Thanks,
Robert
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The 18-105 is another option for a R&G lens. Different than then 18-200 in a few ways.
Constant F4. Lens does not extend. Image stabilization but not active. Zoom speed is much
more variable, you can actually zoom fast if you want. But it only works up to 1080 60fps
with the distortion correction.
 
alaskacameradude said:
The 18-105 is another option for a R&G lens. Different than then 18-200 in a few ways.
Constant F4. Lens does not extend. Image stabilization but not active. Zoom speed is much
more variable, you can actually zoom fast if you want. But it only works up to 1080 60fps
with the distortion correction.
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Yep, that's what I bought. With the correction it works well. Even the iris adjustment is usable although it is slow.

Thanks for your reply,
Robert
PS: I am thinking that Photoshop or Lightroom or something shoud do the correction on UHD so I am going to persue that.
 
18-105 works fine in some ways but manual focusing is lousy . It's got some kind system that varies the speed of the focus with how fast you move the ring and it's pretty much infuriating and typically forces you to overshoot your mark . If you focus quickly it changes so fast you overshoot and if you try to go slow it creeps painfully slowly . What a pointless design .
The auto focus works but it bounces heavily as it finds its mark . I don't know whether I will keep it . I love the range and the power zoom though .
Mi havent played with my 18-200 yet. . Will do today .
 
Lenilenapi said:
18-105 works fine in some ways but manual focusing is lousy . It's got some kind system that varies the speed of the focus with how fast you move the ring and it's pretty much infuriating and typically forces you to overshoot your mark . If you focus quickly it changes so fast you overshoot and if you try to go slow it creeps painfully slowly . What a pointless design .
The auto focus works but it bounces heavily as it finds its mark . I don't know whether I will keep it . I love the range and the power zoom though .
Mi havent played with my 18-200 yet. . Will do today .
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The 18-200 has the same manual 'focus by wire' system as the 18-105.
These are lenses to use when you need range, image stabilization,
auto features, and the like.
 
Lenilenapi said:
Do you have the older non power 18-200 or the SELP w power zoom - just wondering if they both focus the same
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I've got the older non powered zoom. I suppose it's possible that the powered zoom
focuses in a different way, but somehow I doubt it. But if it does, be sure and let us know!
 
Lenilenapi said:
18-105 works fine in some ways but manual focusing is lousy . It's got some kind system that varies the speed of the focus with how fast you move the ring and it's pretty much infuriating and typically forces you to overshoot your mark . If you focus quickly it changes so fast you overshoot and if you try to go slow it creeps painfully slowly . What a pointless design .
The auto focus works but it bounces heavily as it finds its mark . I don't know whether I will keep it . I love the range and the power zoom though .
Mi havent played with my 18-200 yet. . Will do today .
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I would definately be interested in the comparison of the SELP18200 to the SELP18105. I have some time to return the 105 if the 200 is significantly better. Hope to do the firmware update this afternoon and shoot some more today/tonight with the SELP18105.

You folks take care,
Robert
 
The newer SELP 18-200 is exactly the same optically and mechanically as the "old" SEL 18-200 (non-LE).
The servo is the only addition.
I had both and decided that the servo is somehow useless for me but the servo unit itself males focusing
more difficult again as the servo unit is in the way of the rotating focus ring...

I can tell you that I tried every SEL(P) lens on my FS100 and only saved the SEL 18-200 bevause it's so
cheap and has a long range with good IS.
I think I'll exchange the SEL 18-200 with a new Tamron 28-200/3,5-6,3 VC Di and put that on the speedbooster.
I have one stop more, a direct focus ring and the same focal range.
 
I just got off the phone with a friend who has the 18-200 non power lens on an FS700. It sounds like his autofocus works much better .
On the FS7 push auto focus hunts badly just as it finds the focus so its not useable during a shot, but my friend says on the FS700 it is smooth and just finds the right point without bumping. This is a big deal in making both this lens and the 18-105 useable.
Of course he also has the choice of face recognition auto and can use the touch screen for push auto focus as well which is very useful.

He also said he could dial in the sensitivity of the auto focus in the menus. I've seen an AF sensitivity item in the menus but it was greyed out . Actually if I just momentarily put the 18-200 into full AF it focuses smoothly in about the same amount of time it takes the push auto to hunt !

Anyone have better luck with push auto? I wonder if this could be fixed in firmware?
 
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Lenilenapi said:
I just got off the phone with a friend who has the 18-200 non power lens on an FS700. It sounds like his autofocus works much better .
On the FS7 push auto focus hunts badly just as it finds the focus so its not useable during a shot, but my friend says on the FS700 it is smooth and just finds the right point without bumping. This is a big deal in making both this lens and the 18-105 useable.
Of course he also has the choice of face recognition auto and can use the touch screen for push auto focus as well which is very useful.

He also said he could dial in the sensitivity of the auto focus in the menus. I've seen an AF sensitivity item in the menus but it was greyed out . Actually if I just momentarily put the 18-200 into full AF it focuses smoothly in about the same amount of time it takes the push auto to hunt !

Anyone have better luck with push auto? I wonder if this could be fixed in firmware?
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Yeah, I've got a fs700 and the auto focus seems to work fairly well. And as you say face
recognition and touch screen to focus both can be handy.

Not sure on the FS7, but on the FS700, the AF sensitivity is greyed out when
the camera is set to manual focus. Once set to auto focus you can then set
the AF sensitivity.
 
yesterday my fs7 came and last week i had a day shhot with a rental plus selp18105
and the af worked quite well
i had a c100 with dualpixel af before and this was awesome
the main reason i bought the fs7 instead was of course 4k, highspeed , body and after
one day testing that the af worked similar to the dualpixel af on the c100

one thing bothers me
you have to set the af permantently to on and then asign a button for push af on/off to the handgripp

as long as you push and hold the butto the af switches to mf and when you release it it is smooth bacl to af

this function should be opposite

because as mentioned earlier before - if you turn af off and just use the push af button it hunts like mad and is
unuseable

but with the af turned on and just turn it of i you push and hold the button it works for me
and i am really looking forward to the selp 18125

i tried the sel18200 and found it not fast enough - indoor it was only useable with a lot of light
outdoor it was ok - but to get a shallow depth of field it was unusable

i must say the selp18105 with f4 is reale making a good picture, hast lens disortion compensation, is small, oss,
has innerfocus and is cheap
for me a no brainer

so let me hear what you think
the selp18105 sold the fs7 for me and now i have an eng type cam and a cinematic one when i use faster lenses
seeyy
sly
 
I have the 18-105, and find the range and size and, of course price, amazing.
The focus and zoom "by wire" is something that I feel I can come to terms with.
I feel that for general available light interior work, the f4 is just too slow.
I am struggling with the decision between a 24-70 f2.8 (f2 with booster) or 24-105 f4.(f2.8 with booster)
Thinking Nikon for non-stepping, mechanical iris control.
If I get t he short one, I will be kicking myself for longer reach, and if I get the longer, I just know I'll be down in the noisy weeds.
Anybody in the docco world like to give me some advice?

=mark=
Mark Knobil
Pittsburgh? Pittsburgh!
HDX900
Aaton XTR ... sigh ...
Fs7
 
No advice - you are right about the trade offs and I have the same dilemma. How about all 3 - maybe a Tamron or Tokina just for the weeds ? Be aware that the Nikon will focus in the wromng direction.

remember also the 18-105 is limited to HD and no higher than 60 fps.
 
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Lenilenapi said:
No advice - you are right about the trade offs and I have the same dilemma. How about all 3 - maybe a Tamron or Tokina just for the weeds ? Be aware that the Nikon will focus in the wromng direction.

remember also the 18-105 is limited to HD and no higher than 60 fps.
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Are you sure about that? I had heard the same things. Then just for giggles,
I tried shooting 240fps with my FS700. The 18-105 worked just fine without
the pillow distortion at 240fps. I am sure it is limited to HD only, as I assume
it is using the extra pixels from the 4K chip to correct for the lens distortion.
Seems to be a good HD only lens though.
 
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