FS7: FS7 jitter on tripod

Well jeez. I collapsed the pan handle all the way last night and found operating far more controllable and far less likely to introduce any unwanted movement. I have no idea why I've always used the handle extended all the way out all these years. I do occasionally operate right from the head as well for small movements. I should have clued in. I'll count that as today's victory.
 
They don't make a shorter handle, and they didn't have any 3rd party recommendations for handles, nor any advice on how to determine in advance if rosettes would match.
 
Doug Jensen said:
That's the problem right there. The rosettes are different on different models and, as far as I can see, there is no way to determine in advance which heads will work with which handles. For example, the FSB-10 comes with a model "Pan bar DV 75" and you can even purchase that pan bar separately at B&H https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1028452-REG/sachtler_0992sp_dv75_pan_bar_for.html But there are no specifications given for the rosette, so how can I shop for an alternative unless I physically have them in my hands to test? Who makes a shorter pan bar with that rosette? I thought about cutting the handle in half but the rubber grip can't be moved and I don't want a hacked off pipe.
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Doug Jensen said:
They don't make a shorter handle, and they didn't have any 3rd party recommendations for handles, nor any advice on how to determine in advance if rosettes would match.
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You would think they would be the same for all 100mm bowls anyway.. as that would be cheaper than making a load off different sized ones for no reason.. odd they cant just give a straight answer.. I guess a trip to a rental house is the only sure way.. if they have the FSB heads..
 
How about just grabbing the pan handle closer to the tripod as opposed to at the end of the handle?
 
Donny 123 said:
You would think they would be the same for all 100mm bowls anyway.. as that would be cheaper than making a load off different sized ones for no reason.. odd they cant just give a straight answer.. I guess a trip to a rental house is the only sure way.. if they have the FSB heads..
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But that would make too much sense ; ) . Vinten and Sachtler are both Vitec companies, now, but Vinten uses a completely different thread on their tie-down studs that is incompatible with any other Vitec "head" company, or any "head" company period. Which really sucks, because I'd love to able to use the "quick-clamp" tie-down handle that Sachtler makes(although I MAY be able to replace the tie-down stud. Vinten makes a replacement stud kit so that you can mount a Vinten head on a HotPod). The rosettes on Vinten and Sachtler are also different. I believe O'connor rosettes are different, too.
 
OnSet said:
How about just grabbing the pan handle closer to the tripod as opposed to at the end of the handle?
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That's not going to work with my shooting style. For one thing, I'm usually using they Sachtler heads with cameras that have a rear viewfinder (such as the Z280, Z190, Z90, etc.) and it makes it extra awkward to basically have a big pole jutting out from right where you have to work from. Besides, the excess length also causes it to be in the way when the sticks are folded up. I almost never fold-in my handle during transport.

BTW, one thing I really like about the pan handle on my 1030D (besides the short length and rubbery grip) is the loose-fitting plastic collar that wraps around the handle. It spins easily on the handle so when I'm shooting wildlife or something else with big panning movement you can grab onto the plastic collar and it will turn with your hand. Hard to describe, but really nice to have and aids with steadiness be because your never have to let your hand slide to a new grip in the middle of a move. I don't know why Vitec doesn't put something like it on other handles
 
Run&Gun said:
But that would make too much sense ; ) . Vinten and Sachtler are both Vitec companies, now, but Vinten uses a completely different thread on their tie-down studs that is incompatible with any other Vitec "head" company, or any "head" company period. Which really sucks, because I'd love to able to use the "quick-clamp" tie-down handle that Sachtler makes(although I MAY be able to replace the tie-down stud. Vinten makes a replacement stud kit so that you can mount a Vinten head on a HotPod). The rosettes on Vinten and Sachtler are also different. I believe O'connor rosettes are different, too.
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Yes bizarrely rosettes can be different between manufactures ..although Arri one seems to be becoming the standard.. but with in Sachtler and even specifically 100 mm bowl heads..that would be nuts to have make different sizes..purely to prevent FSB buyers using telescopic pan bars from more expensive heads..if it were Sony making tripod heads it would be totally believable .. but the Germans !.. :)
 
Just to be clear, my FSB-6 (75mm) and my FSB-10 (100mm) both came with the exact same pan handle. But not only is the rosette different than other gear I own, but the screw is not 1/4-20 and it is not 3/8. It is something in between.
 
I think it is. (assuming DVXuser 'landmine leads' is not taking you somewhere else) I bought some rubber tie downs for my floor spreader and to my suprise they turned up in 48 hours.

Maybe try a google for 'vitec parts store'

Anyway I was not suggesting you buy anything.. just have a fish about (which to me is interesting) and check out some part numbers of various tripod heads and thier rosettes to get a handle (pun intended) on what might fit what.
 
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So I went to the hardware store yesterday and got what I needed to build my own pan handle. Unfortunately, it is not a stand-alone solution because it requires using the rosette from original Sachtler pan handle. But I could easily put the rosette back on the old handle if I ever want to in the future. My DYI handle is just about perfect at 7” (vs. 16" for the original) and it’s got a nice fat rubberized grip that feels great in the hand. With my cameras ( Z280, Z190, and Z90) that have rear viewfinders this is going to make operating the camera so much easier. If I was to post a picture of me operating the camera with each handle you’d see how much more ergonomic my short DYI handle is. Another benefit is that I won't have to loosen the handle and swung it down for transport like the longer handle requires. Furthermore, a shorter handle does make it easier to execute smoother camera moves. I should have made this a couple of years ago. Field testing coming up this weekend on a shoot.

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You can buy that piece required to mount it to the rosette, Doug. Actually from that same link Sam (Morgan_moore) posted above. I just ordered some replacement pieces for my Sachtler from there this week, they came very fast (shipped from seacaucus NJ). Nice little "mod".

FYI I believe the 2 stage pan arm is much shorter than the single stage you have pictured for comparison. Probably a load more expensive than the screwdriver :p
 
Yes, I saw that i could buy the rosette separately but I won't be using the long pan handle anymore so I'll just use the one from that handle. But it's good to know I haven't destroyed anything so I can put it back the way it came if I ever want to.
The two-stage pan handle is over $330 and would still be longer than I want. My DYI handle was $17 and fits just right.
 
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