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2K 4:4:4 is def my top wish for future cameras. The benefits of a proper downsample in camera have great potential.
 
Discussions of Sony pricing, particularly in the US is a bit premature, this camera doesn't ship until January and Sony will happily up the price if the dollar continues it's post Trump slump against the Yen. They upped prices in the UK after our Brexit vote, even for people who had paid deposits at a lower price point. That type of shabby business practice is why I've never been a Sony fanboy.
 
Yen to Dollar was at 103 on the 4th, it's 106 now. It was at 106 in July, 110 in April.

Of course, should the Fed raise their rate ....
 
stokstad said:
2K 4:4:4 is def my top wish for future cameras. The benefits of a proper downsample in camera have great potential.
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I'll second that. I think the C300MKII has a clear advantage here if you aren't going to shoot raw, especially when it comes to HDR work. The Davinci Resolve team recommends 12 bit 444 codecs for HDR work so that seems like a simpler workflow with the C300MKII. I've always loved the quality and working with Alexa Prores so it seems like Canon has a potential edge. It also doesn't hurt that both Rec 2020 and HDMI 2.0 support 12 bits in a 4:4:4 colorspace.

Has Sony announced anything about delivering a 444 variant for XAVC? I am surprised I haven't heard anything about given that Panasonic has had it for a while and Sony's own XAVC white paper mentions it's possible.
 
But what about all this "must shoot 4K" talk?

These manufacturers really know how to "get'cha" don't they? It this particular matchup it's either choosing 422 4K or 444 2K; always with the choices... :)
 
If you can get the "equivalent" of 10-bit RGB 2K from 8-bit 4:2:2 4K by transcoding in post properly, I would think the same would be true for getting "equivalent" 12-bit RGB from 10-bit 4:2:2 4K? I've never needed true RGB footage for any reason, so I haven't looked into it (or touched the SR codec on the F5). Maybe Mitch could speak to this equivalency... it's a little over my head right now.
 
BarryLichtner said:
If you can get the "equivalent" of 10-bit RGB 2K from 8-bit 4:2:2 4K by transcoding in post properly, I would think the same would be true for getting "equivalent" 12-bit RGB from 10-bit 4:2:2 4K? I've never needed true RGB footage for any reason, so I haven't looked into it (or touched the SR codec on the F5). Maybe Mitch could speak to this equivalency... it's a little over my head right now.
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In theory you can get very close to it. It's partially interpolated data, so the step up from 4:2:2 to 4:4:4 isn't really quite all there and the move from 10-bit to 12-bit is not an absolute either. But there definitely is more data -- you're not just filling in the holes with zeros. It's probably 2/3rds or so of the way to the full signal, which means there's a big advantage in doing it v. not.
 
Thanks Mitch, that is interesting stuff. I read somewhere that 28mp was necessary to derive true (via the math) RGB 4K video. If that is correct, then a sensor that could downscale from 6K and hold on to all the information could (theoretically) come pretty close to that 4:4:4-ish signal. It's hard to image the successor to the F55 not using a FF (photo) sensor, like the 42.4mp sensor in the a7rII. It would give shooters a lot of options-- in addition to the 5K supersampled S35 sensor area-- to shoot on. There could be a lot of options: 8K, 6K, and 4K, with 4K having an SR type codec option.

Since all of Sony's lens making efforts over the last 3 years have mostly gone into the FE mount, there are incredible lenses to show from that effort. The Batis and Loxia lenses, as well as the GM line and the large 35/50/85 f/1.4 primes, the last of which is GM branded I think. All could render beautiful things on a FF photo sensor, and save the Loxias, they would be able to take advantage of the new OSPDAF AF capabilities shown on the a99 II. I seem to ruffle feathers when I talk about future tech, but I find it really interesting because of how fast Sony (and many others) are moving right now. I guess my inner nerd gets too excited.

(I would have just voted your answer up but I'm not "helpful enough" on the forum here to have voting rights, ATM. :D)
 
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