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BeeHop

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Thought I'd get this going.

Im finding Slog2 with Colour Mode to Still very close to Canon C-log. I would probably use this over S-Log3 as its easier to grade.

Doug Jensens PP is just lovely for hardly any post correction.

I use Cine4
Color Mode: Pro
Sat: +3
Detail: 0
Phase: +3 (and leave the rest for a flatter look, to move a bit in post)

Olofs Profile is nice too and leaves a little room for grading.
Cine4
Black Gamma LOW -1
Color Mode: Pro
Sat: +3
Color Depth R+1, G-1, M+1
Detail: -7
 
I'm looking forward to seeing more recommendations. After watching Alister Chapman's explainer, I've been shooting in Cine1 for bright conditions and Cine 4 for darker. I'd like to start shooting in Log but without a external monitor with LUT I'm a little hesitant. I'll give your profile a try. Thanks for sharing.
 
Hallo

Doug Jensens PP is this ??

I use Cine4
Color Mode: Pro
Sat: +3
Detail: 0
Phase: +3

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BeeHop said:
Thought I'd get this going.

Im finding Slog2 with Colour Mode to Still very close to Canon C-log. I would probably use this over S-Log3 as its easier to grade.

Doug Jensens PP is just lovely for hardly any post correction.

I use Cine4
Color Mode: Pro
Sat: +3
Detail: 0
Phase: +3 (and leave the rest for a flatter look, to move a bit in post)

Olofs Profile is nice too and leaves a little room for grading.
Cine4
Black Gamma LOW -1
Color Mode: Pro
Sat: +3
Color Depth R+1, G-1, M+1
Detail: -7
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No, that is not my profile and I'd appreciate it nobody posts my profile. I don't believe in helping people to just blindly punch in settings that they have no understanding of -- or the reasons and purposes behind them. Plus just posting settings does not address things such as exposure, white balance, etc. that must also be taken into consideration if my profile is to be used successfully. So, even though I put a lot of time and effort into creating my profile, I know there is no way for me to prevent someone from posting my settings if they choose to, but I request that it not be done. Thank you.

To those people who actually want to LEARN something about operating their camera -- may I suggest viewing my master class. The first hour is totally free.

 
I agree with Doug. Get his videos they are great and they give you a thorough understanding of the FS5, just like his other great vids for other cameras.

By understanding what each setting does, Doug walks you through this in detail. And he builds a very nice general use profile. This can be used as a start for your own experimentation or used as is.

I end up with 4 different profiles I shoot with for different types of shots and different ways of editing, and as I keep shooting and gain more experience I tweak these settings. My settings BeeHop posted above are just a starting point as well. But I do use that profile a lot.

Just copying someones PP and then using it w/o testing can get you in trouble. I think it is fine to share some settings, but that should only be as a guide and must be tested with your style of shooting and whatever your post process is. It always takes me a few months to really nail a new camera down.

So far I am very happy with the FS5. I used it as my A-cam a few days ago on a tight shoot inside a Round House with at least 4 different types of light sources and very tight quarters inside rail cars etc. With footage of welding, sanding, grinding painting and all kinds of RR maintenance. The FS5 was the perfect cam for this shoot, I shot in UHD a lot of hand held and it stabilizes in post very well. Before I have used a 5DkII or an A7s for shots in there with a 17mm lens, but the kit lens was perfect for this shoot. I could move quickly and just had an assistant with a hand held LED Fresnel and a shotgun mic and a wireless lav for a couple soundbites from the engineers. This is exactly the type of shoot I bought the FS5 for. Most of this will be intercut with FS7 and FS700 footage, and it matches perfectly...
 
liondor1969 - No Doug's Profile is not that & I would not post it. I just said his profile is 'lovely'.

If you read carefully i said

"I use Cine4, Color Mode: Pro, Sat +3 & leave Detail to 0"

But I'm now mainly shooting in Slog2. Even in 'unrecommended' low light. The reason is I'm filming an ob doc and i want it all to look the same: outdoors to indoors without changing Profiles. I then slap on the LUT i like and tweak the first node for exposure/white balance and i get the same look with some fine adjustments after.

I'm thinking this camera is too new for people to have really settled on a certain profiles or shooting methods. I was just interested in seeing what others are using.


But yes if you should buy Doug's Master Class is a great resource.
 
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BeeHop said:
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But I'm now mainly shooting in Slog2. Even in 'unrecommended' low light. The reason is I'm filming an ob doc and i want it all to look the same: outdoors to indoors without changing Profiles. I then slap on the LUT i like and tweak the first node for exposure/white balance and i get the same look with some fine adjustments after.
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Yes, same here. I perfer staying with one "look" throughout an entire production or shoot because it makes post so much easier. And I know the technical reasons some people don't want to use S-LOG in low light, but I find those reasons don't amount to much in the real world. At least for the stuff I shoot (not drama).
 
Doug, you've just lessened my anxiety thinking I'm going against the grain :)

I find Slog2 in indoor conditions no problem at all, and when i move to outdoors i can keep the same look.

I like room to move in post thats why I'm steering away from a baked in image. But yr PP is great to offload to clients who don't want or know how to grade. The response has been WOW :)
 
I say it is sufficient that offers Sony as color profile,REC 709 with small adjustments in outside light is perfect.Cine 4 for me it's ok for interior.The easiest is to put the camera on a tripod, one connected to a TV and see the final result.Alister Chapman's is an expert..explains perfectly how does S-LOG.
Unfortunately with FS5 I have not succeeded yet to find beauty color of my old Canon C100 WDR gama :-)).
BeeHop ...You started this conversation here,it's ok not to post PP from Doug..but it is very important to post our experience :-) Sony created FS5 and say that everything they know best how it works,but unfortunately does not communicate with the end user.
People like Olof Ekbergh & Doug Jensen with experience..can help us to understand more from FS5...but so friendly a discussion :-)..It is ok and market economy...but hier is a FORUM and its essence is to communicate not always something to sell :-)
I hope that this month, Sony to release a guide properly understood color profiles.. so they promised
Hiere is same interesant pp to test for free :-)

http://blog.abelcine.com/2016/02/11/sony-fs5-scene-files/
 
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I wouldn't touch those Albecine Profiles with a ten foot pole ... sorry.

They look terrible and the dialled numbers are all over the shop with no explanation.

Keep it simple me thinks.
 
I agree.

I won't have access to my FS5 for a few weeks to experiment with those profiles so I don't want to say anything about them one way or the other, but I am very skeptical that the recommended Color Revision settings will provide consistent results over a wide range of shooting situations and different white balances. That's not really how those menus are intended to be used. The target 1 and target 2 colors won't always require the changes that are being made to them. Sure those exact settings they provide may have looked correct on the group of three people standing there against the wall, and maybe some other isolated cases as well, but I am wary those kinds of changes will work the majority of the time. Be careful or you may get some unexpected results.

Also, some settings that they suggest are mostly necessary to cancel out other settings they have made elsewhere. A lot of it makes no sense and seems almost random to me. But like I said, I'm just judging by the settings and have not actually tested the files in the real world.

A few years ago Sony sent me to Japan to consult with their engineers on the EX1 and EX3 projects. I took a spreadsheet with me that had the settings of about a dozen picture profiles that were being widely talked about online at the time. When they looked at some of the combos they actually laughed and explained how many of the settings were working against each other. I learned a lot on that trip and I see some of the same things going on here. One key point I learned was that if you see extreme settings (such as +12 or even +7) it is a red flag that something else might be out of whack in the settings or the wrong settings are being chosen for providing the desired look.

Every Sony camera can benefit from some changes to paint menu settings and I highly recommend it, but let's be honest, the cameras are not that terrible to start with so extreme changes shouldn't be necessary.
 
I did some more testing on my large 4k display and it looks like cine4 is one of the noisier profiles, which is surpassing to me that it is one of the preferred ones in the OP. Cine 1 or 2 look great to me with cinema or pro color.
 
Make sure you stand far enough back from that 4K display to really evaluate.

I like Cine4 as it looks nice indoors to outdoors allowing without changing the PP.

But I'm now experimenting with Slog2 and Cine1. I also like like the flat look of Cine1 with Pro colour and its great for low light.
 
I suppose who needs a Picture Profile when we have Slog2 and 3.

But if i don't want to fuss with LUTS in post i keep it simple and stick with a cine gamma with a 'tiny' tweak for simple post correction. Im not too keen of baking in an image as there is so little room to move once you've done this.
 
I'm really happy with the PP from Doug Jensens Masterclass, it's a significant improvement on the default profiles to my eye.
 
I shot some stuff with Doug Jenson's PP yesterday and was very happy. It reminds me a lot of Canon WideDR, except there's some intangible color rendering I like even more than WideDR

I did turn down the detail down to +4 after an hour or so...just personal preference.

I also found the look a little desaturated. I loved it at +7 or +8 (depending on conditions). (I also used to add a little saturations to WideDR in post pretty much always).

Overall, I liked the versatility. I'll shoot using his suggested settings for others, and fiddle a little with the detail and saturation at other times (unless there's a reason not to, Doug?).
 
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I'm glad you liked it and there's no reason you shouldn't customize the detail and saturation to your taste. Go for it.
 
Thanks, Doug. I've enjoyed the training by the way, as I did on the FS7, and the XF305 before that, and my LED interview light kit when I first started out...

Will you be creating a field guide as you did for the FS7. I keep mine in my bag with the FS7 always.
 
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