FS100 and BMD Hyperdeck - real production reports?

bimdas said:
Can someone show me an example where uncompressed shows a clear benefit? Even in keying, avchd is about 100x easier to key than hdv using keylight. How much easier is uncompressed to avchd?I heard the avchd codec is twice as efficient as the mpeg-2 in the ex cams like the ex1. So the 24mbs is equal to 48mbs in an ex1/3. Considering the ex cams shoot at 35mbs, is the avchd in the fs100 better quality than the video coming out of the ex1/3 or have I been fed lies?
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Pull secondaries from either EX or FS shot without an external recorder and you will find the limits very quickly indeed... and you will find that limit very harsh...
No you have not been lied to, you just have not had to finish anything for the cinema or broadcast HD i'm guessing...

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Dermot said:
Pull secondaries from either EX or FS shot without an external recorder and you will find the limits very quickly indeed... and you will find that limit very harsh... No you have not been lied to, you just have not had to finish anything for the cinema or broadcast HD i'm guessing...d
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I don't have a hyperdeck to shoot uncompressed. Care to show us how far you can push these secondaries with examples? And I've seen plenty of compressed footage from red and alexas make it to the big screen, who shoots uncompressed these days?
 
The thing with the FS100 is that - you are always forced to shoot a 'curve' - an image that already has contrast built in. Even at higher bit-depths, you are still stuck with that curved contrasted image, and at 8-bit which really doesn't allow for big pushes or the ability to re-make the image like with s-log.

The curves for the FS100 are nice. They look good. But it's like shooting reversal film, right, it's sort of graded already. You can add coloring tweaks, color tones, etc, but you can really only make it less or more contrasty.

Which is fine I think, shoot what you want to see.
 
bimdas said:
I don't have a hyperdeck to shoot uncompressed. Care to show us how far you can push these secondaries with examples? And I've seen plenty of compressed footage from red and alexas make it to the big screen, who shoots uncompressed these days?
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I didn't say uncompressed.. i did say external recorder.... and yea in the last week i have graded both Epic & Alexa footage for the filmout.... and i do run into compression there at times, but far far FAR less than the EX1/3, FS100, 7D & like things

I did a feature doco a couple of months ago, shot on EX1's with the onboard recorder.. there were so many times that the compression artifacts slammed the ideal grade into the dust, and turned it into "as good as it can get" grade

Sad really after all that work to be shooting one's self in the foot so comprehensivly.. the DoP bought a external recorder for his next show....

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Dermot said:
I didn't say uncompressed.. i did say external recorder.... and yea in the last week i have graded both Epic & Alexa footage for the filmout.... and i do run into compression there at times, but far far FAR less than the EX1/3, FS100, 7D & like thingsI did a feature doco a couple of months ago, shot on EX1's with the onboard recorder.. there were so many times that the compression artifacts slammed the ideal grade into the dust, and turned it into "as good as it can get" gradeSad really after all that work to be shooting one's self in the foot so comprehensivly.. the DoP bought a external recorder for his next show....d
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Thanks both of you for the informative replies. In regards to the footage from the fs100 being better than from the xd cams even though it's a lower bitrate, is that true?
 
Has anybody tried the OCZ 480GB Vertex 3 with the Hyperdeck Shuttle? I'd like to know how many minutes of uncompressed recording it does.
 
Well that's not bad at all. I can work with that.

I'll just use a Laptop with e-sata or usb3 and two cheap docking stations, to dump one SSD on a HDD, while shooting on the other SSD. Just like you instructed.

Works for me.

I can only assume that it works for you since you know the precise recording capacity in minutes.

So how's the footage?

(I might have to menace you for the exact details once I get the SSD's)
 
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