FS 700 hands-on review with footage

I think I'm going to shoot myself in the next couple of months due to hard decisions.

Maybe you should wait 3 more weeks with that.
I´m shooting a short film then, and there is a good chance that Sony gives me an other 700 for that.
So there will be a lot of material, indoor, outdoor, night and day to look at.

Frank
 
Constant comparison to the BMD seems strange to me

The BMD shoots DNG - thats wonderful - but will eat computer and edit times
-it needs a $2k battery system
-it needs an XLR preamp
-may need some expensive wide lenses
-will need ND matte box

The reality of the BMD is IMO it will be expensive to build up and expensive to shoot on and slow and expensive to edit and deliver

Which is all fine if you have the money and the time

The FS can go from the simplicity of the EX1 for corporate shooting and sate the desires of the weekend cinematographer in one package..

S



Great post. The $3,000.00 price tag is just the starting point for the BMC. The total cost of the BMC and the FS700 is what these two cameras have most in common. From there, one must decide if you need to color grade beyond what is capable with the FS700. If not then the built in ND, slow motion, etc.. of the FS700 outweigh the raw of the BMC.
 
Of course the BMD has a cheaper start point than the FS7000 (AFAIK) and some like me have already made the investment in batteries - I run my FS100 on V-Lock and ND

Ive even made the XLR investment having a Sound Devices recorder from my 7d days,

For me the BMD is 'plug and play' apart from a 10mm lens

Its the costs of post that need investigating - but of course shooting to ProRes is a solution - as I proes all my FS/DSLR files there is actually a space saving by going to a prorezz shooting camera - although location memory becomes an issue

Of course is there an image premium once you are shooting non DNG on the BMD - wich half the sensor real estate I somewhat doubt it..

S
 
You can convert the CineDNG to Cineform raw on the fly, while dumping them to your computer or RAID.
Than you can edit them like ProRes or anything else.

Frank
 
Maybe you should wait 3 more weeks with that.
I´m shooting a short film then, and there is a good chance that Sony gives me an other 700 for that.
So there will be a lot of material, indoor, outdoor, night and day to look at.

Frank

Awesome. I will patiently await to check out your film :D

The BMD uses a TB for every two hours of footage.. or 2TB with a back up
http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/blackmagiccinemacamera/techspecs/ "5 MB/frame in RAW 2.5K fits about 30 minutes of 24p video on a 256 GB solid state disk"

That will surely impact on the cost of ownership

S

Well it looks like RAW will most likely never be an option for a production shot for me (not that I was planning to use it anyways for that, mainly cinematic pieces). I will have to dig around and see if any ProRes stuff is available to view.
 
Plus, I don't see how the BMCC could possibly be as cinematic as the FS700 because it's a 2.3x crop, while the FS700 is Super 35mm, which is the cinema standard. So yeah, I would say that the FS700 has the cinema look on lock, while the BMCC has the super 16mm on lock (or maybe more like super 24mm???).

I really like the FS700, but this isn't really a logical statement at all.

http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/fox_searchlight/beastsofthesouthernwild/

Let me know how uncinematic that looks, it's S16, grainy as heck, lowlight doesn't look anywhere near as strong as FS100 (let alone FS700 hur hur) but what I see is cinema.

Again, I've used the FS700, I will probably do some more shooting with it in the next week, it's pretty sweet. But ,there's a good reason as to why the Magic Cam's popping up in conversations. xP It's a good internal debate to have IMO, because both cameras will be out at the same time.
 
Can anyone explain where all this confidence in the BMCC comes from? I mean, I want it to be amazing especially at its price point and given its codec options. That said has there been any footage outside of some soft 720p footage that on the surface looked like a dead ringer for canon dslr footage. I mean, I hope there is a reason for the optimism outside of the specs, but to me specs are meaningless without footage.
 
Can anyone explain where all this confidence in the BMCC comes from? I mean, I want it to be amazing especially at its price point and given its codec options. That said has there been any footage outside of some soft 720p footage that on the surface looked like a dead ringer for canon dslr footage. I mean, I hope there is a reason for the optimism outside of the specs, but to me specs are meaningless without footage.

I know you posted this exact same thing before, I didn't respond because I felt like it would take things far off topic... but, I guess I'll blurb:

The footage that was posted, to my eyes, clearly illustrated major potential, beyond anything in the price range and definitely slightly above it. Regardless of it being beta, filled with noise, stuck pixels etc, the baseline that's missing from sub 15K cameras (and honestly, even SOME 15K cameras) was well-represented in the footage.

1. Motion characteristics. HYPER important. I mean how movement's rendered, cadence, so on and so forth. It is right out of the gate. This is me clinging to an old aesthetic? Then, so be it, because the motion is perfect to my eyes.

2. Dynamic Range. Clearly there. Not even sure I need to go on about this one.

3. Resolved Detail versus False detail (aliasing). I can find it in FS100 footage very easily, Gh2 footage very easily, F3 footage very easily. C300 has it, but seems to deal with it the best out of all of the sub 15K cameras (that I can think of). If you consider Scarlet 15k< then sure, Scarlet.

John used pretty substandard glass on the Bondi footage (Canon variable aperture zoom) and while it appears "soft" it sure as heck looks to be resolving more than enough, that is at least as much as any other sub 4K large sensor acquisition system out there. The charts will tell the tale, but you can see it in the stills people are posting after sharpening... I guess, well, here's one:

[click for 1080.PNG]


I am not a fan of sharpening anything, but after a few people beat on my opinion I decided to give it a whirl with some GH2 footage and have found a tolerable level of sharpening can actually make things better in a few departments. After that, I tried it on the stills that John posted.

Granted, it's not in motion, but I can't even tell that it was sharpened. Motion will be important for final judgement, again it's looking promising. This still, it's not the strongest grade, but that's originally a PNG or a JPEG? I can't remember. If you can move the image that far in a JPEG format, then the DNG is going to be pretty crazy. Which also brings up...

4. Color. Right now, I don't know a single camera that does well out of the box with color what does not cost in excess of 100K to own and operate. That's an Alexa. Even in these early examples, from an unbalanced sensor, the color in the raw's fairly promising. I expect it to get slightly better by the time the camera ships.



Now, there are a few things that need to be addressed (when considering image), amongst those are noise performance and rolling shutter--which is being reported as bad and some people say it's much better than any DSLR on the market. I'm more concerned about noise performance.

It won't be an FS camera in the noise department, nor a C300. The buy-in may be low but the post can get pretty pricey and laborious. No higher framerates, that's like standard on any camera now isn't it? I wager the reason why the buzz is so high is probably because of the specs and pricepoint, won't even fool myself into thinking otherwise...

However, to me (which means I'm not stating fact, just how I see it), the footage and stills showed a lot of potential. At the base, if that was the image released today at 2.8K street price, then I might have to second guess purchasing. Knowing that it's going to get a slight bit better after it's all said and done, I'm just glad I got in a pre-order the next morning after it was announced.

Anyway, that's my take on it. Again, I've used the FS700 and I think it's a pretty sweet camera, lots of functions that I know a ton of people will love and use to death. It's well made, built-in NDs are a joy, I have nothing bad to say about it. Just, I can see why people are being cautious right now.
 
Plus, I don't see how the BMCC could possibly be as cinematic as the FS700 because it's a 2.3x crop, while the FS700 is Super 35mm, which is the cinema standard. So yeah, I would say that the FS700 has the cinema look on lock, while the BMCC has the super 16mm on lock (or maybe more like super 24mm???).

The size of a sensor or the depth of field of a camera does not at all determine the 'cinematic' look.... that is the biggest load of sh*t. There is not one single thing to define the 'cinematic' look, we have films from the 20s in B&W, Sci-Fi films shot completely on a green screen and Documentaries shot on 1/2" crop sensors, that all achieve a cinematic feel and the way it's achieved is through every department involved in bringing a film together, Art, Lighting, Sound, etc... THAT is what creates the cinematic feel, NOT the camera.
 
Thanks for the thorough and thoughtful response Kholi. Let me address a few of your points.

1. Regarding motion, I honestly can't say it looks all that different from available quality digital options at the moment. I think the most important thing to me is a faster than 1/48th shutter to keep nasty digital motion blur to a relative minimum. I have been impressed with various shorts though from the range of canon to sony and even the gh2. Most of the time motion looks off or "video" to me it has more to do with a slower than 180 degree shutter. So I guess that is a lot of words to say the motion of the BMCC looks perfectly fine to me, but so do most other cameras in this price range when used with settings I find pleasing.

2. I agree about dynamic range completely. If anything can be taken away from the low resolution, heavily compressed uploaded footage, it is that the DR looks better than most cameras in the price range. My only real concern on this front though is if this range is only achieved when shooting raw, or if you get a similar DR out of prores. The big reason for my desire to see this range in prores is that I find a near uncompressed raw workflow highly impractical for most scenarios, and thus I imagine most shooters will default to prores once they do the storage calculations except for very special shoots. I would love to go raw, but you have to compress it at least a decent amount to keep costs sane, imo.

3. That still in 1080p is the first time I have seen something higher than 720p from the camera. It does seem decent, but did you say it was post sharpened? I would be curious to just see some straight up, unaltered raw files from the camera, or better yet a prores file of a wide, deep focus shot. This is the area where most sub $4k cameras fall apart (gh2 somewhat excluded). If it actually is getting great detail and truly resolving a 1080p image, my biggest fears will mostly be alleviated. I do have to wonder though, if you had a camera that resolved wonderful 1080p image detail, why upload all of your tests and demos in 720p during the pre-order phase. I know the last time this happened it was canon masking the 5dmk3s completely underwhelming resolution/detail. I am not certain that is the case with the BMCC, but why not just release full resolution files if your camera is performing.

4. I agree about the colors of the alexa for certain. Hands down my favorite in that dept. That said, despite my issues with the colors straight off the camera of most all the affordable options, grading tools are so impressive and powerful at this stage, usually you can match almost any camera to any other with some time and effort. That said, the colors off the BMCC seem to be a strength as well, so hopefully it looks that nice straight off the camera. Once again though, similar to my concerns about dynamic range, I really hope the colors are just as impressive in prores recording, as I imagine in the real world that will be the codec used 90% of the time.

I figure regarding the smaller size sensor, higher noise levels will simply come with the territory. It won't be a lowlight king like the fs100 or c300, and you will simply have to shoot accordingly. That doesn't concern me so much, as the camera seems built to cater to narrative or comercial shoots, not run and gun (especially with a non-removable built in battery). Given those 2 situations almost always have controlled lighting, it should be ok I think.

I agree there is lots of potential in their specs and regarding at least DR and color, some promise in the currently released footage. That said, why are they with holding 1080p renders / straight out of the camera files? What benefit does that have unless they are hiding inadequacies in resolution and detail. I would absolutely love to be dead wrong about this though, as who wouldn't want a solid prores recording cinema camera for $3k.


I know you posted this exact same thing before, I didn't respond because I felt like it would take things far off topic... but, I guess I'll blurb:

The footage that was posted, to my eyes, clearly illustrated major potential, beyond anything in the price range and definitely slightly above it. Regardless of it being beta, filled with noise, stuck pixels etc, the baseline that's missing from sub 15K cameras (and honestly, even SOME 15K cameras) was well-represented in the footage.

1. Motion characteristics. HYPER important. I mean how movement's rendered, cadence, so on and so forth. It is right out of the gate. This is me clinging to an old aesthetic? Then, so be it, because the motion is perfect to my eyes.

2. Dynamic Range. Clearly there. Not even sure I need to go on about this one.

3. Resolved Detail versus False detail (aliasing). I can find it in FS100 footage very easily, Gh2 footage very easily, F3 footage very easily. C300 has it, but seems to deal with it the best out of all of the sub 15K cameras (that I can think of). If you consider Scarlet 15k< then sure, Scarlet.

John used pretty substandard glass on the Bondi footage (Canon variable aperture zoom) and while it appears "soft" it sure as heck looks to be resolving more than enough, that is at least as much as any other sub 4K large sensor acquisition system out there. The charts will tell the tale, but you can see it in the stills people are posting after sharpening... I guess, well, here's one:

[click for 1080.PNG]


I am not a fan of sharpening anything, but after a few people beat on my opinion I decided to give it a whirl with some GH2 footage and have found a tolerable level of sharpening can actually make things better in a few departments. After that, I tried it on the stills that John posted.

Granted, it's not in motion, but I can't even tell that it was sharpened. Motion will be important for final judgement, again it's looking promising. This still, it's not the strongest grade, but that's originally a PNG or a JPEG? I can't remember. If you can move the image that far in a JPEG format, then the DNG is going to be pretty crazy. Which also brings up...

4. Color. Right now, I don't know a single camera that does well out of the box with color what does not cost in excess of 100K to own and operate. That's an Alexa. Even in these early examples, from an unbalanced sensor, the color in the raw's fairly promising. I expect it to get slightly better by the time the camera ships.



Now, there are a few things that need to be addressed (when considering image), amongst those are noise performance and rolling shutter--which is being reported as bad and some people say it's much better than any DSLR on the market. I'm more concerned about noise performance.

It won't be an FS camera in the noise department, nor a C300. The buy-in may be low but the post can get pretty pricey and laborious. No higher framerates, that's like standard on any camera now isn't it? I wager the reason why the buzz is so high is probably because of the specs and pricepoint, won't even fool myself into thinking otherwise...

However, to me (which means I'm not stating fact, just how I see it), the footage and stills showed a lot of potential. At the base, if that was the image released today at 2.8K street price, then I might have to second guess purchasing. Knowing that it's going to get a slight bit better after it's all said and done, I'm just glad I got in a pre-order the next morning after it was announced.

Anyway, that's my take on it. Again, I've used the FS700 and I think it's a pretty sweet camera, lots of functions that I know a ton of people will love and use to death. It's well made, built-in NDs are a joy, I have nothing bad to say about it. Just, I can see why people are being cautious right now.
 
Thanks for the thorough and thoughtful response Kholi. Let me address a few of your points.

2. I agree about dynamic range completely. If anything can be taken away from the low resolution, heavily compressed uploaded footage, it is that the DR looks better than most cameras in the price range. My only real concern on this front though is if this range is only achieved when shooting raw, or if you get a similar DR out of prores. The big reason for my desire to see this range in prores is that I find a near uncompressed raw workflow highly impractical for most scenarios, and thus I imagine most shooters will default to prores once they do the storage calculations except for very special shoots. I would love to go raw, but you have to compress it at least a decent amount to keep costs sane, imo.

It sounds like it'll be hindered in Pro Res slightly, which my mind is translating to maybe 12 useable stops? Don't' quote me as of course we don't know what the usable range is right now. My gut's saying that, because BMD is coming at this entire thing from a post perspective (it's the strongest vehicle they have to push their software to one of the lowest common denominators within a potential user base) the figure that they put on their site may be the actual usable DR that they expect the camera to deliver after factoring in the noise floor. It's being confident in BMD, right, but with a good reason I feel.

Usually, companies publish DR specs that are far beyond what's usable. I'm hoping BMD takes a different route and has given us what they truly expect us to be able to use with the camera's best settings, CinemaDNG. Optimistic.

So, again, maybe ProRes sees a usable 12? That's still a match for everything under Alexa.

3. That still in 1080p is the first time I have seen something higher than 720p from the camera. It does seem decent, but did you say it was post sharpened? I would be curious to just see some straight up, unaltered raw files from the camera, or better yet a prores file of a wide, deep focus shot. This is the area where most sub $4k cameras fall apart (gh2 somewhat excluded). If it actually is getting great detail and truly resolving a 1080p image, my biggest fears will mostly be alleviated. I do have to wonder though, if you had a camera that resolved wonderful 1080p image detail, why upload all of your tests and demos in 720p during the pre-order phase. I know the last time this happened it was canon masking the 5dmk3s completely underwhelming resolution/detail. I am not certain that is the case with the BMCC, but why not just release full resolution files if your camera is performing.

It is post sharpened, yes. Trust me, I am not a fan of post sharpening at all, even knowing that a lot (if not most) major feature films undergo some sort of post sharpening in the process of delivery. But, I think it's because of the kinds of footage that I've tried sharpening on, and how much it's overdone in vimeo videos etc. Sharpening FS100, GH2, and especially Canon footage, never really looks good if you use too much.

When finally getting around to sharpening 5K stills from Epic as a test, I did notice that when done properly it wasn't offensive at all. Naturally, 5K to 2K/1080 doesn't need sharpening, but apply the same to raw 2.5K and then move it to 1080/2K and you've got a pretty freakin' sharp image, which should come with no aliasing etc. if done properly.

About the camera resolving 1080... well, there isn't a camera under 15K that resolves 1080, anyway. What's FS100, max 800? I don't think AF100 is more than 700~720? GH2 Certainly isn't more than either of those, and every other DSLR? Well, you know how that goes. To start getting near 1000s you have to hit an F3 or C300 and I don't think either of those are more than 950ish. Anyone feel free to correct my numbers, that's just off'a the top of my head.

So, if it hits a clean 700~800 lines on the low end, ProRes file then it's already in the class of everything else under 15K. IF the 2.5K to 2k/1080 is slightly more than that, it's competing in the range of 15K cameras. I think it's a little too optimistic to expect more than 800, but completely realistic to expect somewhere in the range of that even in the ProRes.


That doesn't concern me so much, as the camera seems built to cater to narrative or comercial shoots, not run and gun (especially with a non-removable built in battery). Given those 2 situations almost always have controlled lighting, it should be ok I think.

The battery situation, what's complicated is figuring out how too mount the battery that powers the camera, but I've already found one solution that is ultra cheap and perfectly suitable for the camera. Something that you could power the camera and an EVF off of for quite some time. Basically, it's like the camera doesn't have an internal battery and you've got to find your own power solutions.

I sincerely think it'll be less of an issue when people actually get their hands on the camera and companies begin to make things like battery grips, etc.

That said, why are they with holding 1080p renders / straight out of the camera files? What benefit does that have unless they are hiding inadequacies in resolution and detail. I would absolutely love to be dead wrong about this though, as who wouldn't want a solid prores recording cinema camera for $3k.

Honestly... I would withold as well. It's dangerous to release footage from a camera prematurely, at a point where what's being represented is not the actual final quality/image. If the 720P exhibited lots of FPN and other issues, the 1080 would show them more blatantly. They've said that the sensor needs balancing, etc, I'd rather see the end result at this point versus picking over something that's not what'll be shipping.

You can take the FS700 footage around as an example. The beta camrea I've used (FS700) was not indicative of the final quality, and if I posted footage from that I'm pretty sure people would be turned off. The same thing went for the FS100 beta camera that I used a few months before it came out, it wasn't ready yet and even I had formed a negative impression of the final image. However, now coming back to using the FS100 I'm much more interested in using it in future projects. Same with FS700, though, because I learned from the beta FS100 experience that things get MUCH better when it's delivery time.

I understand the concerns with ProRes being pretty good coming out of the camera, lots of people on BMCuser are making it a point that they'll probably use ProRes more than anything else due to the cost of storage and post workflow. Totally get it, and I'll probably do the same thing sometimes, but I also pre-ordered under the pretense that BMD is calling this a Cinema Camera, and that means the best quality to be had will be by going through the Digital Cinema workflow.

So even if the ProRes is the camera working at 90 percent capacity (which would be pretty crazy still), the extra 10 percent is the real reason why the camera's picked up so much buzz, and I think the people who are going to stick with the system are going in understanding that.

The FS700 is like "the" upgrade path from the FS100. Anyone who puts their hands on it will see it as a no-brainer. The Magic Cam's not an upgrade, and in some areas a step backward... well, a step sideways actually. That makes more sense.
 
No need to shoot yourself. Take a step back and - don't buy anything. Not until you need it.

And when you NEED it, then buy the best that's available that suits your needs. It doesn't matter what's coming later, because that's later, and you need it now, so -- get the best that's available now.

And if you don't need it now, why spend the dough? Something "better" will always, always come along. So don't buy until you need it. And when you need it, get the best that's available for your situation and STOP SHOPPING. :)

Wise words as always from Mr Barry Green. He gave me the same advice a couple of months ago and I bought an Epic :) . Either go big or go bust, I say. But the reasoning for this was simple: I knew something better would come along. The only company that provided me a possible upgrade path was RED. Now i could go Scarlet which was also a good Idea, but i would miss the frame rates. Red offers a modular design. By this it means you will be able to upgrade the camera as time goes by by purchasing modules. Right now the camera has a very good form factor. I really like it. The support gear I had for my HVX and DSLR's work well with it. I had a problem with the relative fast power drainage with the camera, but just now they introduced a Dual battery module, which lets me keep the relatively small form factor and allow me to have 3 batteries at the same time. Love the modularity concept. I think Panasonic got the idea with their modular new camera prototype.

My take is to follow Barry's advice. If you don't need a new camera now, don't buy it YET, or lust for it. Concerning the FS700, I have to admit things look good (excluding the Sony picture look, of course, which I personally dislike) and looks to be a great bang for the buck camera. Its a camera that would make anything you produce NOW look good. But so does the Scarlet, The F3 and The C300. Wait for IBC, wait to see what Panasonic has up its sleeve. Remember Panasonic has the fantastic AVC-Ultra codec and they do know how to produce a nice looking image- the "mojo" that made the Varicam such a popular Camera for High End productions for almost a decade. If you need to get a camera now and you want ultimate image quality and value for money, however, I would seriously look into a Scarlet, and then the FS700. A Scarlet is a Red ONE MX in a small form factor with less frame rates (but this can change and i speculate it will soon). It is capable of images like "The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo". Has any big production actually used a C300, a F3 or an FS100 as "A" cameras? Well the Red One MX has been an A camera for blockbusters. And the Scarlet internal Raw compression (redcode) is actually LESS than the Red One MX...

Food for thought...
 
Well, I just had written a fairly large response, and then the browser decided to crash, so I am going to try and hit the highlights now instead.

Kholi, I agree that prores will likely hinder the DR by at least a stop, but it would be amazing if it didn't. I will re-emphasize that at the current raw implementation in the BMCC file sizes and storage costs will balloon out of control in a hurry. I love that they are offering raw, but really they should also offer compression ratios on that raw. Most red users shoot at least around a 7:1 compression last time I checked, and that is because seeing a difference below that is virtually impossible. Given that, I would love to see a decent compression, as uncompressed raw seems like an unnecessary workflow for most. Granted in the case of passion project narratives I would find a way to buy up a bunch of 3TB drives, but for almost everything else I think prores will be the only economical choice.Thus I really hope most of the quality, but granted not all of the post flexibility, makes it into the prores codec.

I also dislike sharpening in general. That said, if applied with a subtle hand, and done to an oversampled image before it is downsampled to 1080p, the results can be solid from what I have seen. Regarding lines of resolution, you seem to be selling the field a bit short, at least when referencing zacuto and abelcine. They show that the canon DSLRs are at about 740, af100 at 800, fs100 at 950, f3 and c300(i think as I cant find an official test) at about 1050, and the alexa at 1100. Given that field, I would hope the BMCC is better than 800 lines. But more importantly than what charts reveal, is how detail and resolution appears in the real world use imo. The only currently available footage for the BMCC looks like a canon DSLR equivalent, and to me that is disappointing. To my eye the fs100, and of course the $10k+ cameras appear far more detailed than the canon and nikon offerings. If the BMCC matches the fs100 in detail / resolution I will be ecstatic as I think the fs100 has an incredibly sharp image. Too bad all the footage is currently online in 720p, making it impossible to tell if the softness is in the base recorded image or the highly compressed upload.

I agree about treating the camera as if there is no internal battery. I imagine this approach will lead to affordable solutions, I just hope they are also compact and clean. I usually avoid external recorders just to steer clear of the mess of wires and cages those solutions tend to produce, and thus I have my fears about external power batteries and what size and weight implications that might have. Would you mind sharing the link though on the battery solution you found? I would be curious to see what is out there that is affordable.

I am not sure we will agree on witholding the files during pre-order. If the camera is in a beta state and you are not currently taking people's money based on a promise to deliver certain specs then I am far more on board. Once you start taking money based on a promise, to me you should be at a phase in the development in your product where you are at least minimally currently delivering that promise on at least 1 production camera. I think it is shady at best to tout a 2.5k resolution camera, and only upload 720p files so as to create uncertainty about what is to blame for soft images. If you cant deliver a solid file out of 1 camera today, dont take everyone's money based on that promise yet. That said, I do like black magic as a company, so I have some hope that they will in fact deliver. I just cant see a good reason for intentionally masking what quality your product will actually deliver.

The only last thing I will mention is that I am not being skeptical about the BMCC in order to promote the fs700 or any other camera. I have virtually 0 interest in the purchase of a fs700, as to me mega high framerate cameras define the reason for a rental market to exist. As I have said before, I would LOVE the BMCC camera to be everything it claims it will be and more, but until I see proof with my own eyes I will never believe what a spec sheet tells me to. That said, fortunately I don't really need the BMCC for any particular reason today as I believe the fs100 produces fantastic cinematic images when used correctly.
 
John used pretty substandard glass on the Bondi footage (Canon variable aperture zoom) and while it appears "soft" it sure as heck looks to be resolving more than enough, that is at least as much as any other sub 4K large sensor acquisition system out there. The charts will tell the tale, but you can see it in the stills people are posting after sharpening... I guess, well, here's one:

[click for 1080.PNG]

Nice image but jam packed full of moire and aliasing (look at buildings/roofs and see the colour aliasing - looks like a Leica M9 which lacks an OLPF), even on a still frame, would hate to see it in motion. Where was this generated/posted? Could be a very substandard debayer? Perhaps unfair on the camera at this early stage...

cheers
paul
 
Kholi, I agree that prores will likely hinder the DR by at least a stop, but it would be amazing if it didn't. I will re-emphasize that at the current raw implementation in the BMCC file sizes and storage costs will balloon out of control in a hurry.

Actually it´s a no brainer to me.
Convert them to Cineform raw - on the fly - while dumping the files to your computer.
File size and editing speed is similar to ProResHQ.

Frank
 
Actually it´s a no brainer to me.
Convert them to Cineform raw - on the fly - while dumping the files to your computer.
File size and editing speed is similar to ProResHQ.

I don't know enough about what cineform raw is and how it handles the transcode to have an opinion on that one. Will it preserve all the data of the original raw? Can you literally change the ISO later? Will there still be highlight recovery information available after the transcode? More importantly, how much more compressed is cineform raw than the origianal raw files coming out of the BMCC? Thanks for any info you have on these questions.
 
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