Frustrated Audio Guy!!

Basically I am wondering if anyone who actually owns audio equipment and doesnt hire a pro...has had the noise issue and if its from the unit or mic. I can tell this forum does more hiring than anything else.

The Audio Forum plays rough sometimes, so take that with a grain of salt. There's lots of good info here, but it can get obscured by harshness of presentation. To everyone else, please remember that we have all levels of content creators here, from seasoned pros to no-budget hobbyists. It's easy to get trapped in our own perspectives, but it's also less than helpful to browbeat someone repeatedly.

Here's the deal, tbuelna:

1) There can be many causes of noise. Simply asking if folks who own the same devices have ever had issues with them is a pretty broad question that will invariably warrant a "yes" from some one. We have to know everything: the signal chain, what cables where used and in what sequence, whether the device was battery powered or using the AC adapter, etc. The more detail we have, the better-equipped we'll be to answer.

2) Please post a sample of the audio with the high-pitched noise. The easiest way to try and diagnose a sound problem is to hear it. No sound, no guess.

3) On-camera is the last and worst place to put a microphone. I can see, though, how you would not have heard the artifacts from the broken suspension during production, since there's no headphone monitoring from the camera. (I assume the VideoMic was plugged into the camera?) That aside, you really should not put any stock into on-camera mic audio. Use it for reference, but not for the mix.

4) When you are working on hobby-level shorts and relying on inexperienced crew, it's very helpful to sit down with those folks before hand and walk them through the kinds of things they need to monitor. For sound, that would include whistles, wheezes, and whines along with planes and phones and air conditioners and barking dogs. When you trust someone inexperienced with your sound, a little prep-work and training on the front end can help immeasurably during production.
 
Thanks for all the good feedback. Again, since I have used the equipment in the past without issues (using Joe Blow to hold the pole), I am confident it is an equipment issue. Yes, I should've noticed a rubber band pop out, but since I have owned the mic for 8 months and it has never done it once...it was not something I paid attention to.

Okay...enough of that. I will post a short audio clip tonight of the tone. Again, I have tried 3 different XLR cables since the shoot and sometimes it does it and sometimes it doesn't. For example...I will have everything on and walk around the house and everything sounds great. Then out of the blue, a high pitched tone starts and will continue for several minutes (up to 20) and then without warning it will go off. It does this inside, outside, different cables, and I can't reproduce the tone. If this is something I'm doing wrong and not an equipment issue, I will admit it...believe me, I am here to learn and not in denial.
 
Yes, I should've noticed a rubber band pop out, but since I have owned the mic for 8 months and it has never done it once...it was not something I paid attention to.

If you're using any piece of equipment on set, you should pay attention to it. Never slip into complacency that, because it has always worked in the past, it always will work in the future. I have mics that I've owned for 15 years without an issue, and I still check each one before and after a shoot. I also have brand-new gear that still has that "new car" smell and should not have any issues at this point, and I still check each and every piece before and after a shoot. Cables, mics, suspension mounts, mixers, recorders... at the start and end of every day, do a thorough inspection.
 
@ Alex H - Thanks again, I am addicted to this hobby and always have a blast on my shoots. Audio is the one area where I get the most frustrated...so I will focus a lot more time and energy in that aspect. Living in little town Iowa where I am the strange one for wanting to make films...makes it hard to find experienced help, ha! I just want to figure out this issue and move forward!!
 
Another question I'd add considering the specific gear you mentioned is: Does this tone appear under the same circumstances without using external mics at all? The DR-100 has on board mics, and you could eliminate connection/microphone issues if it does the same thing that way. As crucial as hearing the tone is for diagnosis, the process of elimination can also help find it. If you can't get that tone to come back when using on board mics, then you're looking at (most likely) a gear issue with the DR-100's inputs (assuming all the XLR cables you've tried work correctly)
 
You don't need to "hire" a pro who asks 400$/day , you can also try to find sound-students, filmstudents, doing sound and wants to practise, learn.

I'm sure they will be much better (even if they're still on school) then your friends... friends is good for cooking, helping with practical things...

But if you do a "fun project"... I think there are enough students who wants to help...

Only thing: don't "hire" a student for 1$ to do a Coca Cola commercial in which you get 250.000$ :-p


And about doing 440864894086486486486640864864686486 things yourself on set .... Simple respons: don't do it...
Find people, can be students... to help you... Trust other people... Dare to give it out of hands... Don't be afraid to "hire" a DOP, or a student
learning for DOP), or others like script, assistant, location manager, lightguy, electro,.....

If a house is build....it's only one person ? no ? the same guy doing the construction, the plumbing, electricity, the roof ?
Or is it more then once person ?
 
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From many years of experience I don't put any stock in the "I've used it before with no problems". As a troubleshooting tip I would note that and then completely ignore it because that was then and this is now. Kind of like those investing disclaimers "past performance is no indicator of future performance".

However you did swap cables and that IS solid troubleshooting.

Hearing will definitely help but somethings that may be worth testing.

The Oktava's have a fairly large power need. The only time I have experienced problems is with the SoundDevices MixPre. It's not high pitched on the MixPre but??? What happens is you get "motorboating" a kind of put put put sound, it's low pitched and is caused by the MixPre power supply. But conceivably it may cause other issues on other equipment. The fix on the MixPre is to make sure to use 48V phantom not the 15V phantom. Since the voltage of Phantom power is not a "standard" many devices use something between 12 and 48. The other fix is to use the low roll off (on the MixPre).

Oktava's are basically 1930's Schoeps. As such they are more susceptible than some mics to dampness issues. You might remove the capsule and make sure the contacts are dry and clean. Bits of dirt and oxidation can create mini radio receivers and pick up all kinds of muck. This is true of cable connections also, though the capsule to body connection is more critical.

Other devices. iPhones and such can put out a lot of RF. Is there anything that might be causing interference? In the SF Bay Area I had a Sennheiser mic that could "hear" the Navy RADAR sweeps. Great mic but I couldn't use it near the shore with out getting the sweeps. It was also susceptible to the militaries buried antenna arrays. You could use it like a geiger counter to follow the runs.

Batteries. Cels sometimes go bad in weird ways. I would try it with new alkilines. I use rechargeable and I had odd ones in the set go wonky on me. If the power goes weird there is no telling what junk might pop up.

It doesn't show up as a "noise" nec. but if your recording in a compressed format the encoding can go weird with certain kinds of sounds.

And the simple answer could be that where you are there is something that is happening that the mic hears that you don't. Does this happen in locations far apart or has it all been close to the same geographic position. A HAM operator not being carful with their settings can wreck all kinds of havoc with sensitive electronics.

That's all I can think of off the top. The mic could need service but it sounds like more of an active electronic behavior to me so I would also try the recorder on it's own and see if you can get the problem.
 
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