Flesh

It got a response. Not meaning a great....show the wife...look at this its....
But yummy bacon and ham aside...It was....oh I don't know..Bacon @ Ham ?? :)
Just started watching yours Virum, know you hated mine but you had some nice ideas going on.
Bacon @ Ham...
 
Blaine said:
I watched it all the way through. Kept hoping there'd be some point...:huh:
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Geeez Blaine you did better than I .
Sorry this reminds me of the guy who skinned a cat and posted it on the web as art ....
I need to say no more
Ian
 
This film really didn't do anything for me. Maybe if I never took 10th grade physiology......maybe. I'm not sure what else to say.
 
I just checked your 'Last Posts' thingy just to see how your viewing other peoples films to get a feel of where your at. Huh? Your not watching OUR films? Huh? Not even ONE? Not even ONE little film Plisken? Wass up wit dat?
Nuff said. Chow baby.
 
Wow why is everyone so hostile?

The film is what it is. if you dont like it dont watch it. you dont have to say nast y things.
 
No one is saying nasty things . People just can't see any value in it . he could of done a lot more with this to make it watchable . Skinning something with no story line , no nothing is pointless .
ART ? not here , a museum maybe .
We watch it or try too as it is part of this FEST and deserves watching .
I think we all made an attempt to watch this short . Some made it to the end and some did'nt .
On a positive note he did put forth a short for this contest .

Ian
 
Don't give me that "you don't understand my art" BS. Shock for the sake of shock isn't art. What we have here is a piss poor video of some guy gutting an animal while listening to poorly recorded baby sounds. I "got it" and it was bad.

The only impression this left was me was thinking that this guy needs to learn how to write a story and then learn how to shoot it. Ariel is right, no value here.
 
It was gross. I winced. Maybe that's all that was intended. I have found that I've been re-sensitized to stuff like that over the years. Not just real gore, but movie gore as well. Weird, I think, often it's the other way around. However I still don't think I'll have much trouble eating a nice juicy rare steak or pork chop.

One small thought; if the babies cries were more in sync with the cutting, it would be more effective.

It's not my thing, but I don't think it's fair to say it has no value, at least not in such a universal way. I'm a believer in the idea that if you say it's art, it's art. Even if that idea dramatically degrades the value of art for a lot of people. The meaning of the word "Art" is so vague, at least in terms of what it means to people. I can't tell you what the dictionary definition is, but I doubt a lot of people are looking it up when they proclaim that something is or isn't art.

Gauranga, I'm not intending this for you personally, even though I'm responding to points you made. I guess I just felt like this deserved defending on some level. I'm not in disagreement with the technical gripes, I just think a lot of people are overly harsh in the delivery of their comments because of this pieces content.
 
Plissken said:
Glad you are consuming Flesh.

Horror has to make an emotiaonal impact on audience. Sometimes, its a pure blast of morbid artistic ejaculation in the form of deformed, mutilated flesh.

Some of you felt uncomfortable and disgust, that is totally normal reaction.
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Morbid artistic ejaculation.

Well put.

So we understand Pilssken's motivation was to produce a morbid artistic ejaculation. How can we argue with that?
 
this would have been more shocking if you would have had the baby laying on the same table as the carcass.
 
VersuS said:
and show me 10 people who accomplished their mission.....
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I know I didn't. I'm still stuck in re-shoot, self-importance hell and it's getting me nowhere fast.

I was superficially disgusted but viscerally intrigued.... and still, it made my mind churn... Not something that happens very often. :)

I don't see a winning entry in this film, but in your own way (Plissken) I'm sure you've already won.
 
I'm confused about this one. To me it looked like a butcher doing his job. So it did absolutely nothing to me... And there is not a lot more to review in this movie.
 
An art film that has some of the visceral impact of horror. It was thought provoking. Can't say I didn't find some cinematic value in it, because I did. "An interesting addition to the festival," that's how I would sum it up. Shorter would have been better. I mean, there was no rule that said you had to use all 6 minutes. But hey, at least I didn't have to see yet another girl screaming while she gets stabbed with a butcher knife (snore).
 
Sorry, Ariel, this is not personal, you just happened to write a convenient post on which to comment, regarding this thread in general . . .

arielman said:
No one is saying nasty things.
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No, perhaps not "nasty." But they're making jokes, and extremely condecending comments. The tone of the comments here are unlike any other on the fest.

arielman said:
People just can't see any value in it.
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That's their problem.

arielman said:
He could of done a lot more with this to make it watchable.
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Maybe that was the whole point. To make an "unwatchable" film.

arielman said:
ART? Not here, a museum maybe.
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Art isn't allowed here? Only in museums? Or is it just the kind of art that you don't find "tasteful enough" that doesn't belong here? Or is it only art that doesn't have any story or "point" that doesn't belong? [If that were the case, I'd be on pretty thin ice here myself.] Or maybe just "ugly" art? Would it be better if we only had "pretty" art, all with stories and a "point?" Maybe we should appoint a HorrorFest board to review all submissions to decide. In fact, maybe the government should monitor all future DVXUSER threads to prevent any further "unacceptable" forms of art from being submitted to all future fests to prevent this kind of thing from ever happening again.

See how ridiculous this sounds?

Again, nothing personal, it's just that I think your post happens to reflect a surprising number of the reactions to this film, and this thread. And frankly you all are starting scare me. I thought we were all open-minded, creative people here. Don't you see what you all are endorsing by making these kinds of statements? Expressing one's opinion is one thing, but making declaratory statements which explicitly de-value one kind of "art" over another kind of art--a more "watchable" kind of art, is a really scary thought to me.
 
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Nope. I've been a big support for Flesh since the beginning. However I have seen it as a disturbing and artistic statement. In my ballot it didnt do good because well, its not the purpose or how I rate it in a creative manner that counted but the default categories I had to rate....
 
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