LoganMackay
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Agreed. Looks great for certain looks, adds a nice softness to the footage.
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Agreed. Looks great for certain looks, adds a nice softness to the footage.
Mikungfu
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@Jan: I was typing my reply as you posted yours so, please forgive me for not addressing your reply: Yes, what you said sure helps a lot and I will most certainly make great use of those precious tips. Please understand that I think this is by far a huge achievement in bringing together the best of both worlds (video camcorders and DSLRs) and I sure feel happy for having purchased two of these cameras. My only concern is how to optimize and better understand the usage of all it's existing features, including Autofocus.
@HeavyG & D10S: What you two say, makes perfect sense.
@Vanvideo: I never "asked"/aspired for this camera for the use of DSLR lenses. What I aspired to, was a camera with a large sensor and interchangeable
lenses (not necessarily DSLR... They could be new video lenses for this sensor size). In fact, I was never converted to the DSLR trend... It
never convinced me. We all know that the advent of the AF100 had exactly to do with bringing together the best of 3 worlds: DSLRs, Video
Camcorders and Cinema cameras. We all know that the AF100 has video and film mode options... And that, along with the blend of several features
from both types of cameras.
I know what the problem is: You are assuming that this camera is the answer to the aspirations of DSLR users who wanted video camera form factor,
audio, etc... But you are forgetting the other half: Pro/prosumer Video camcorder users (XL-H1, EX3...) who wanted a larger sensor, shallower DOF
and keeping the interchangeable lenses feature they already had, without loosing their lenses functionalities.
@tipota: I don't see the contradiction in having a big sensor which allows shallow DOF and having an option for AF. The fact that I am right in
assuming so, is proven by the very existence of the AF function in the camera. If I was to be asking for an AF only camera then, all that you
state in your post would apply. In fact, I can't see the sense in so much insistence on the downsides of AF, when the camera DOES have AF... I am
not requesting the feature... It IS there. If I was to ask for this camera to be AF only... Now THAT would be stupid and, in that case, your post
would be a lot more in context. All I am expressing concerns about is the refinement of a feature that HAS been included in this camera, whether
some people my like it or not.
Side note: All in all, this friendly debate originates from a predictable phenomena: This new wonderful camera (I should know... I bought a pair), brings
together 3 types of professionals: Cinematographers, videographers and even photographers. Each one will tell you they have the best way of
working and the most refined skills and know how. Each one departed with a concept of ideal camera and will miss the things they are more used to
in their market sector and wrokflow. This camera is a wondefrul and unprecedented achievement... This camera was a first huge step in making a
tool that could be used by cinematographers and videographers alike. We all love it but, please avoid the pitfalls of thinking "this was made for
people like me and not for people like you..."
@HeavyG & D10S: What you two say, makes perfect sense.
@Vanvideo: I never "asked"/aspired for this camera for the use of DSLR lenses. What I aspired to, was a camera with a large sensor and interchangeable
lenses (not necessarily DSLR... They could be new video lenses for this sensor size). In fact, I was never converted to the DSLR trend... It
never convinced me. We all know that the advent of the AF100 had exactly to do with bringing together the best of 3 worlds: DSLRs, Video
Camcorders and Cinema cameras. We all know that the AF100 has video and film mode options... And that, along with the blend of several features
from both types of cameras.
I know what the problem is: You are assuming that this camera is the answer to the aspirations of DSLR users who wanted video camera form factor,
audio, etc... But you are forgetting the other half: Pro/prosumer Video camcorder users (XL-H1, EX3...) who wanted a larger sensor, shallower DOF
and keeping the interchangeable lenses feature they already had, without loosing their lenses functionalities.
@tipota: I don't see the contradiction in having a big sensor which allows shallow DOF and having an option for AF. The fact that I am right in
assuming so, is proven by the very existence of the AF function in the camera. If I was to be asking for an AF only camera then, all that you
state in your post would apply. In fact, I can't see the sense in so much insistence on the downsides of AF, when the camera DOES have AF... I am
not requesting the feature... It IS there. If I was to ask for this camera to be AF only... Now THAT would be stupid and, in that case, your post
would be a lot more in context. All I am expressing concerns about is the refinement of a feature that HAS been included in this camera, whether
some people my like it or not.
Side note: All in all, this friendly debate originates from a predictable phenomena: This new wonderful camera (I should know... I bought a pair), brings
together 3 types of professionals: Cinematographers, videographers and even photographers. Each one will tell you they have the best way of
working and the most refined skills and know how. Each one departed with a concept of ideal camera and will miss the things they are more used to
in their market sector and wrokflow. This camera is a wondefrul and unprecedented achievement... This camera was a first huge step in making a
tool that could be used by cinematographers and videographers alike. We all love it but, please avoid the pitfalls of thinking "this was made for
people like me and not for people like you..."
You'd think they would at least change the specs a bit... Lol sounds like Tamron is the winner. I'm going to guess these will also not hold focus on zoom...
Rolf Silber
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Hi Mikungfu,
no problem here with our two positions other than that I have never quite understood why AF is there in the first place. I have a rather fundamentalist approach towards digital video: I loved the Arri D20 (apart from it's size) for it's purism. No funny knobs, no arcane set ups, great sensor - apply the right lens and then either switch it on or off. Any machinery that wants to be able to do everything usually is in danger in the end to do a lot of things but may not do those things really good. In my perception AF for instance more often ruins a shot than it helps me. But that's me and I work under different circumstances probably. If you want it and they can deliver it: fine.
I agree with your opinion that this camera can be a game changer because of the basically new concept - size, handling, price plus technical abilities - so in the end it may not be a dslr-killer so much as a 16mm killer. As soon as I have mine I will check with one of the TV-Stations here what they think about the camera and what it produces - not so much because I believe it should work as a substitute for pro-cams but as an accessory and a door opener for other ways of story telling.
no problem here with our two positions other than that I have never quite understood why AF is there in the first place. I have a rather fundamentalist approach towards digital video: I loved the Arri D20 (apart from it's size) for it's purism. No funny knobs, no arcane set ups, great sensor - apply the right lens and then either switch it on or off. Any machinery that wants to be able to do everything usually is in danger in the end to do a lot of things but may not do those things really good. In my perception AF for instance more often ruins a shot than it helps me. But that's me and I work under different circumstances probably. If you want it and they can deliver it: fine.
I agree with your opinion that this camera can be a game changer because of the basically new concept - size, handling, price plus technical abilities - so in the end it may not be a dslr-killer so much as a 16mm killer. As soon as I have mine I will check with one of the TV-Stations here what they think about the camera and what it produces - not so much because I believe it should work as a substitute for pro-cams but as an accessory and a door opener for other ways of story telling.
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