First HD100 24p Footage available for DL

dropouts too??

dropouts too??

Matt Davis - thank you for the footage. Haven't seen it yet (looking forward to it) but I'm wondering if you have experienced the same problem with dropouts as Barry Green. If yes - was it happening randomly all the time or just in the beginning?
 
MovieSwede said:
Well it dont help so much by comparing footage from two different users. It help more compared footage shot by the same user in the same lightsituation. .
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I guess it is much better if the user nows the camcorder he is using. All those "tests" pointing some camcorders by the same person to the same object and pushing the record button is not the best way to show what those camcorders can do. But if you put some cameramans together with the camcorder they own and the challange is to get the best result out of the same shooting condition is a different thing.



MovieSwede said:
But I dont understand why so many people is hanged up on the resolution. Things like latitude and colors are more important to me than just res.
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In filmworld you make the shouting conditions to be acebtable to your film. It means you control the light. Controlling the light is the most importand thing even in the video world but it is something the camcorder users don't think about it. They just point and record what they want and if the result isn't good than they think it is because the camcorder.

You are right we didn't see any good footage from the JVC but it comes I'm sure. The same was with the Xl2, FX and Z1. The good stuff is comming now, the users had time to learn how to use the camcorder. The DVX has better presets to start with. It's easyer to get good result for a first time user while you have to tweek the settings in the others to get what you want. It means you have to learn the camcorder.

MovieSwede said:
And as for colorist, my impression is that its harder to colorize something more compressed than DV. And HDV is more compressed than DV.
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I don't think it is more difficult than it is. After the transfer the information isn't HDV but wavelet or something else. The compressed information is just a storage. Just like a JPG picture after the transfere to the Photoshop, it can be a CMYK TIF or what ever you like. If the picture is so much compressed that you can see the different at once, than the compression is to much. And what are the DTP's using today? Yes, jpg, not tif. Or Adobe Acrobat, it is a compressed file and the result is just perfect. The data information to get the same print quallity is more less than we could imagine after knowing how big a Tif Cmyk image is.

All HDV's are a limitation, even the DV is a limitation. But the resolution for so little money is just fantastic. The rest is just tweeking what ever we can.

MovieSwede said:
As for interlaced movies made in my own country. Ive yet to se any movie here that was shot interlaced that looked good. Actually ive only seen one movie here shot digital that I actually liked (picturewise) and that was shoot progressive.
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As I know even the use of Super16 is a luxory not all scandinavian filmmakers can have. Before the Sony DSR 570 was used to shoot movies and the process after grabbing the footage was the same as in film. The dp's tallent is showing all the way long. The framing and the job the editor did was very good.
 
Indeed athouguia....

That's exactly what I meant. With the pro-menu-options of the HD100 you should be able to tweak your HD100 to match your DVX.

Furthermore - although this is called DVXUSER.com - there's no comparing those two cams. The JVC is over twice the price of the DVX, and with reason: it's REAL 16/9 in SD (here in europe only true 16/9 is accepted for broadcast, no squeeze or letterbox mode), it is also HD, it has a real pro interchangable lens, it has therefor 2 codecs implemented (interframe AND intraframe)....

I can imagine you find the DVX a wonderful cam: it is a great thing (although I'm not a fan), but the electronics are "dated", compared to the new JVC...

Look at it like this: everyone is now milkin' about how much noise is in the HD100 picture. Compare that to the DVX at 0dB!. Man, my last shoot had three cams: DVX, XL2 and an old XL1s. Shooting on 16/9. Man the DVX image was worth nothing compared to the XL2's. First of all the lack of res in 16/9 of course, but that's to be expected, but really annoying: lots and lots of noise in the DVX picture (although at 0dB gain) - the XL2 was obviously clean.
 
Just one last thing... if a DVX or any other camcorder or camera on the market is really so good than how is it possible to sell books like Barry's DVX guide or others book about how to get a good picture with your new camcorder. If it was really so good an easy, than to make a good image was just to point and push the record on the camcorder. I guess it is so because the camcorders can't give you the picture you want without tweeking the settings and someone has to show you how to do it as long as you didn't learned the settings and the use of the camcorder. But one thing is sure the standard settings in the DVX can give a good start to a first time user.

The HD100's settings wil give you the chance to write and sell a new book about tweeking, I'm sure.
 
SergejIvanovits said:
if a DVX or any other camcorder or camera on the market is really so good than how is it possible to sell books like Barry's DVX guide
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A car that's easy to drive doesn't mean it's rewarding to drive. An excellent car that's made for the masses, when transformed into a racing car, becomes less easy for the masses (!!). As you rack up the performance, so things that are good for the masses have to go in order to provide things that are good for the specialists.

The DVX tiptoes neatly between these two camps, and Panasonic have been wise to release a camera with really good default settings (unlike the Sony, and perhaps now the HD100), but you need the book if you want to develop 'your look'.

Maybe the perfect camera doesn't require a manual, and includes full telepathy as an interface, but then the perfect camera cannot exist in our own space-time continuum as perfection is a form of singularity.

Meanwhile, we read the manuals.
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daniel r said:
thank you for the footage.
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I'm just hosting it - we all gotta thank Mark Glanville (aka cstv at the DVDoctor forums) for providing it. He's shooting some more tests over time and the choice bits will be up on his site at http://www.gpjco.tv/~dvdoctor


daniel r said:
...experienced the same problem with dropouts as Barry Green.
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Funnily enough, no. But there was another huge problem dubbed 'the screen of two halves' - in that with high gain, the camera seemed to use two gamma settings, one for each side of the screen. When ordinary 0dB gain footage was given a levels tweak, the half-and-half split was still apparent. However, a firmware fix via the SD card is in the pipeline.

I guess a pixel-heal function rolled into a black-balance may find its way into another maintenance release.

(Hence my rather unfair jibe that the HD100 could be like the Rangerover Discovery - in and out of repair shops getting more and more fixes whilst the Z1 'Landcruiser' just works outa the box, though I seriously doubt it's really going to be like that.
:evil: )
 
Is it possible to update firmware via SD card? Can you tell us how did you know about that? That's very interesting.
 
athouguia said:
Is it possible to update firmware via SD card? Can you tell us how did you know about that?
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IIRC, it was one of those things bandied about at the JVC/Adobe roadshow held in the UK a couple of months back (the Berkshire one - go Berkshire!). 3 cameras and a deck to play with via an HD monitor, good delegation of JVC dudes, lots of frank and open discussion, same clutch of hand built prototypes, but more openness to point-shoot-gawp with the latest one.

There's an SD slot in the HD100 that can load data into the camera (basically a computer with extra bits plus a hole with some glass in font of it). Computers have operating systems, operating systems benefit from updates, patches and performance hikes. If your computer with glass has noise problems or sync problems (remember all that?) - watchagonnado? Make a new chip or update the code?

Maybe I've got the wrong end of the stick - maybe it's a magic SD card a bit like the magic dongles people used in non-DV-in nEUtered camcorders, maybe it's like taking your phone to some chap in a back street to have it derestricted, maybe firmware isn't the right term. Whatever...

It's exactly the sort of sensible thing that such a sensible camera would do, and I don't recall any 'top secret' parenthesis around the comment. However, I'd better not say who I was talking to at the time - to protect the innocent.

Just in case.
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i have seen the footage now and it looks great in my opinion. I'm pleasantly surprised by how well the codec performs in moving details like waves, smoke, etc. after all it seems they managed to reasonably sqeeze it somehow into 19mbit - great news!!!!
on the other hand I'm a bit dissapointed by the performance of the lens - there's some chromatic abberation (for example you can see a purple stuff on laying lama) and when there's a strong source of light you get this vertical "star filter" effect - that was also the case with Barry Green's footage. I hope there is a filter to solve this .
i guess all the footage was shot with the 16x lens that comes with it, right? have anyone tried the other one, 13x?
 
I think the footage looks pretty good too. My interest in the camera has respawned.

I still haven't held one yet! And working all this week damn it!
 
MattDavis said:
There's an SD slot in the HD100 that can load data into the camera (basically a computer with extra bits plus a hole with some glass in font of it). Computers have operating systems, operating systems benefit from updates, patches and performance hikes. If your computer with glass has noise problems or sync problems (remember all that?) - watchagonnado? Make a new chip or update the code?
:grin:
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Well, I knew that firmware or software from cameras could be updated, I didn't know it could be done via SD card. If so, things become simple... JVC puts the firmware available for download, you store it into the SD and then somehow you update the camera. That would be very cool, like updating your cellular phone or the drivers on your PC.
 
I have seen the footage and I quite like it. But, it is just great looking video.
I wonder why Sony and the other camera makers can't come up with the look Panasonic puts on their cameras. That way, there would be a great competition.
As it is now, I really don't see much interest in other cameras besides the ones that Panasonic offer us.
I have also seen footage from a Sony FDW-750, and it just looked like great video.
I don't know if it delivers the look similar to the FDW-900, as all the footage I saw was really video looking.

Has anyone that played with the FDW-750 seen footage that doesn't look like great looking video?
 
Hi guys...um... I'm really having trouble actually viewing the footage in media player. Can I get some feedback on what I'm missing here. Do I need media player 10?

Thanks ...and great write up Barry thanks for taking your time.

Pete
 
well guess what... the VLC player did nothing for it...I still get only audio.

O well not that important I'm not interested in the cam anyway...thanks for your help teque.

Pete
 
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