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Hey Dave,
I was just curious, and also for you to Henderson,
what age bracket are you two in?? cuz I think anyone over 35/40 will find this film to be savage
and not funny ... even though it is very like "superbad" style comedy where nothing is left out
personaly I think people need to just open up a bit and laugh, shutting down your interest in a film b/c it says something you dont like or shows something you dont like is pretty lame ...
as far as the tech aspect you brought up Dave, the inside the car scene...
unfortunately we did not have inside car lighting of any sort and so in order to expose for the faces of the talent you have to overexpose the outside, but u will notice that you can still see the stuff outside, so even though the whites have been clipped, there is still objects and things that are viewable ... just my two cents .. if we had lighting we could have stopped down the background a little more ..
thanks for the input .
Matt
Hey Dave,
I was just curious, and also for you to Henderson,
what age bracket are you two in?? cuz I think anyone over 35/40 will find this film to be savage
and not funny ... even though it is very like "superbad" style comedy where nothing is left out
personaly I think people need to just open up a bit and laugh, shutting down your interest in a film b/c it says something you dont like or shows something you dont like is pretty lame ...
as far as the tech aspect you brought up Dave, the inside the car scene...
unfortunately we did not have inside car lighting of any sort and so in order to expose for the faces of the talent you have to overexpose the outside, but u will notice that you can still see the stuff outside, so even though the whites have been clipped, there is still objects and things that are viewable ... just my two cents .. if we had lighting we could have stopped down the background a little more ..
thanks for the input .
Matt
To the original poster everything was fine. Im 23 and i thought the content was fine. Its funny how people on here will praise a movie that is probably way worse than this as far as the content in it goes and the come down on you hard when you bring out yours. The funny thing about the naysayers on here is they have everything in the world to critique when it comes to you but if you ask them to put together/show you a 15 min project half of them would look at you like youre stupid. As far as the car scene goes it was fine too. Ive seen plenty of movies, commercials, music videos where the outside is overexposed in order to keep the talent exposed. People on here could tell you to gel the windows and do all that crazy crap but who wants to go through all that lol. In short keep making films and take what these people say on here with a grain of salt. While there sitting back spitting out specs and critiquing how you shot a scene you are out there making an effort to shoot and thats whats most important. As long as you know what your target audience is youre good.
what most people might not notice about this story, (and yes it does need to be re-worked and have better flow to it) is that it follows a script writing structure and story structure that is used in Hollywood on almost every movie .... some may have heard of it or have been taught about it, but its called the 12 column story structure..
every screenplay has a certain runtime (most comedies and romantic com. are 120min long) .. throughout this 120min, there is 12 different parts of the story...
we could sit here and talk for hours about the columns and what happens, but Im not gonna tell people on here about that, that is your job to go and talk to and interact and learn how to make the films! but look it up , its interesting and makes sense
Thanks
Matt
It's good that there were a number of parts to this story, the problem with this script is that it was very poorly developed and lacks in overall writing quality, so while, techincally you may have achieved 12 column structure in the screenplay, it really doesn't matter if those columns don't work well together (or individually) - it's a good device for planning out a storyline, but it's a guideline, following or not following it neither guarantees success or failure. Some of these scenes could have been genuine/interesting...but then we get "now come over here and let me put my meat on your grill?" The problem is that these jokes really don't match the tones of the scenes, they come out of nowhere and go way too far. I'm not at all opposed to dirty/crass humor, but it must be well placed, delivered correctly and match the tone of the scene. It's the difference between American Pie 1, and American Pie 2/3 .
Story issues, 12 columns or not:
Apparently this guy is a video game developer, great, we hear about it for one minute and it's never touched on again.
Pre-sold 15 MILLION copies? Okay, so why is he buying a fixer-upper as a home?
If you can cut/trim the cell-phone scene a bit, that might be good - the actor hitting on the blonde, and the blonde herself who already has a pitcher really did not perform well, their performances don't match your other talent's. This part is a good character reveal for Pierre, however, Pierre's character is really inconsistent - he's supposed to be the good, sensitive guy who cares...so why is he defending a girl from a guy trying to buy her a beer, and then ask if "we can go halves on a baby?" or calling Erica a "raging *****?"
The Erica/Pierre relationship develops straight out of nowhere, we don't see any relationship development - we go from "i hate you fat boy" to "You're totally right" "it's alright beautiful"
Ghosts were the first thing to come to Pierre's mind? And he's able to sell the idea of ghosts to Erica...like...instantly?
The gay ghosts were well done... hyper-caricatures...but, okay - visually well done and even the performances were good.
I think what's frustrating and what makes your project interesting is that technically, it was good, from a set and artistic design perspective, also quite good, I actually think that this is one of those shorts that could have been good - maybe it still can be with editing, it'll still be a love it or hate it thing, given the subject matter, gay jokes, portrayals of homosexuals, etc., but I think to say that this kind of humor is just meant for a young crowd is a dodge - thing is, this film doesn't play like a comedy, the overall premise of the film may be *almost* funny, but the sex content borders on violent and that pretty much kills anything funny going on.
Overall premise: Guy who makes gay bashing video game buys house haunted by gay ghosts who turn him gay as payback and his wife/friend try to exorcise the gay out of him, can't do it, friend and wife run off together.
If the story had just been about the first half of that premise, that could be funny - but the second half gets pretty serious/dark/violent.
This feels like a more serious dramatic short with a really crass jokes tacked on top (out of place nearly every time in each scene and it hurts the momentum.
I do think a few of the jokes were at least semi-amusing and properly placed (for a dark comedy) but many are way out of place and too crass/harsh/violent and just don't suit the tone you've got. Out of place jokes seem to be used very often instead of really writing - "How did you convince me to marry you?" is serious/genuine, and he responds with "the baby arm in my pants," - the screenplay shot itself in the foot (needlessly) almost once per scene by resorting to this instead of really telling the story.
I actually think the shower/deliverance scene is one of the better in the short, it's disturbing, but genuine, maybe - but mucked up a bit by the first line using "cornhole."
I think the problem is that nobody can tell what you guys are trying to accomplish with this short - it has some good elements, some bad ones, but I don't know if I'm watching something that's meant to be funny or serious or dark or disturbing or what - or is it just a bunch of people who think gay jokes are funny... it's nowhere near as bad as "Date Movie" thoughNothing's worse than that...maybe "Freddie Got Fingered"?
great points! and I agree, the story moves extremely fast and does not connect well from scene to scene, i guess this is why short films are hard to create and tell a full 12 column screenplay in 12 minutes or so lol ... but then again thats where a good writer makes his mark...
I don't know how much footage you've got or if there's more to work with, but I think this is one that would benefit from some additional length and slightly slower pacing at times and cut a joke or two, it does move *very* fast - usually I can't get through a 15 minute short, most people can't create 15 compelling minutes - this feels like it should have been more like 20-25, maybe extend the shower scene![]()
"Let me put my meat on your grill" I'm using that TONIGHT!!!! LOL
Thnx for sharing, I think you're dealing with enough critics so I'll just say it was a great effort, keep pushing and thnx for the classic one-liner
PS the lead female is hot and has the sexiest raspy voice. Good casting!
hahaha im guessing you were joking about the female lol ..
and no problem with the one liners, thats all this writer is good at lol
NO!!! I love her voice! I think she's sexy a hell.
Pierre's outfits are hillarious