The Sarlacc
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jeffyjones said:
You don't???
A true Avid fighter. That's why.
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You don't???
A true Avid fighter. That's why.
The Sarlacc
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myfriendimage said:
lol, the new high end "professional" version is rumored to be called Final Cut Extreme.
Matt Gottshalk
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The Sarlacc said:
Unless they fix thier media management Avid will not be losing any sleep.
And yes I have both.
The Sarlacc
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aquafox said:
I'll tell you why...
I had the director of a short I just on the HVX buy a 160gb HD....should be more then enough...OK, we shot the film and it took up 80gb of the drive. It should leave me plenty of room for editing...
Except that rest of the space gets completely eaten up by the quicktime conversion. Thankfully, in order to keep a master set of MXF files...I just burned all 80gb...yeah you heard me, 80gb to DVD...because the director couldnt afford another HD.
Its just one of those extra step pain in the asses that could be avoided...but at least I know for next time...lots of storage right from the start.
Avid doesn't have this because of native MXF support....So, it makes sense for Apple to come out with very high end version of their software, which will truly compete with Avid....because as much as I love FCP...it has never really been a real avid fighter, not in the professional filmmaking world.
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The Sarlacc
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mcgeedigital said:
No arguements from me on that one...see the last sentence of my post right after yours.
FCP is steadily gaining ground.The Sarlacc said:
the list of features cut on FCP grows longer each day:
Cold Mountain, George Washington, Gunner Palace, Intolerable Cruelty, Napoleon Dynamite, Spellbound, Super-Size Me
Open Water, The Rules of Attraction
Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow, The Ladykillers, Corpse Bride, Jarhead
Dreamer, etc etc. ...(list from wikipedia)
Avid is gradually losing ground... In a very smart move, Apple's making sure FCP is in most of the schools & film schools, offering big academic discounts.
Most of the filmmakers of tomorrow will have gotten their start with FCP...
The Sarlacc
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R Gale said:
George Washington was one of the first features cut on FCP...And they had their fair share of problems because of it...I was on the camera crew...
The alma mater from which myself and everyone one from GW has made a deal with Apple and pretty much gone to FCP...
One of my friends was an FCP consultant on Cold Mountain...and they hated the transition.
FCP is gaining ground...but its not there, its not a true full blown Avid fighter in the professional world.
My hope is the rumors of "Extreme" are true, and it does give apple that winning blow.
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One better is the fact that you can even upgrade/crossgrade the ACADEMIC versions of those apps, too, for $199, and get the FULL retail version of Final Cut Studio 5.1.R Gale said:If you can get your hands on an individual Soundtrack Pro, or Motion 2, or DVD studio 4 (try eBay) you can then upgrade to the full suite for $199. Would still be a lot cheaper than retail. ($1,300)
The Sarlacc said:
I agree. (never saw George Washington... I should check it out. btw, I read about the Cold Mountain editing experience in this excellent book)
I'm just happy that P2 works as good as it does in FCP. Everything is so new... I hope the new Universal FCP isn't too buggy, 'cause I just ordered the upgrade...
Really? Man that IS a good deal!unfiltered said:
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Yeah, I had to double check the fine print to be sure. This has caused the academic versions of Soundtrack Pro, DVD Studio Pro 4, and Motion 2 on eBay to go for 25-50% more than what they originally sold for.R Gale said:I agree. (never saw George Washington... I should check it out. btw, I read about the Cold Mountain editing experience in this excellent book)
I'm just happy that P2 works as good as it does in FCP. Everything is so new... I hope the new Universal FCP isn't too buggy, 'cause I just ordered the upgrade...
Really? Man that IS a good deal!
Still, paying $400 for an academic copy of Motion 2, then the additional $199 for the FCS upgrade, it's still almost $400 cheaper than my NBC discount ($1080) for the full retail of FCS! For anyone wanting to pick up a Mac for the intent of using Final Cut, this deal is "giving" you a virtual $700 credit towards a G5 or MacBook Pro.
jeffyjones
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You're not answering the question. Why does Apple need to sell a six-figure plus version of FCP to compete with any Avid product? There are already a limited number of feature films being cut on it, so how does a higher priced version make them more "competitive" with Avid? What do they really need to offer that they don't already (besides media management, which frankly I don't think is all that great in Avid either), and why should it cost more?The Sarlacc said:
Matt Gottshalk
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unfiltered said:
Not in practice it doesn't:
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=50214&page=3
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jeffyjones said:
You can't edit 2k and 4k images in REAL TIME on an Avid. Supposedly the Extreme version of FCPro can.
The Sarlacc
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jeffyjones said:
Aside from from Mcgee already said...FCP wasn't original designed to edit major motion pictures, avid was. So, all the features that have been cut on FCP have had to find work arounds to certain issues (like laying back to 24fps back in the original days.)
No one said it was going to be a 6 figure system, where you get those numbers is beyond me. Try like 10g for the software.
Despite the fact that people are trying to use FCP to cut features today...Most professional editors still prefer Avid. And apple hasn't done anything to change their minds.
Look at the editors who have cut features on FCP...The bigger names like Walter Murch on Cold Mountain...Then find out if he used FCP again on his next feature, or went back to Avid. I think a question like is much important then telling me features are using fcp.
jessecoane
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Walter murch did use FCP on his next feature "Jarhead"
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The Sarlacc
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jessecoane said:
That's a good sign then isn't it.
Because I know he had a ***** of a time on Cold Mountain.jeffyjones
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What do you mean you can't edit real time?
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I'm going to respond to this thread the way "others" seem to respond when folks are complaining in any way about Panasonic. Hey! Why is every one giving poor Apple a hard time?
I mean it's so hard to make good software, we should just be happy that they make it at all and just shut up and not complain. Who are we to complain? We are just paying customers, what do we know really?
Apple is just so wonderful to make a product like Final Cut Pro, we are insulting them to even complain about things like workflow issues. Let's just leave them alone and not play the "Blame Game". Just because you pay for a product docent mean you have a right to complain about it.
(smell the sarcasm)
I mean it's so hard to make good software, we should just be happy that they make it at all and just shut up and not complain. Who are we to complain? We are just paying customers, what do we know really?
Apple is just so wonderful to make a product like Final Cut Pro, we are insulting them to even complain about things like workflow issues. Let's just leave them alone and not play the "Blame Game". Just because you pay for a product docent mean you have a right to complain about it.
(smell the sarcasm)
The Sarlacc
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Who is complaining?
I think most of us own FCP ( I do) and love it, but it's not up to the big boy leagues yet. Avid has had that market for far too long. And apple is catching up to them, they arent there yet.
I think most of us own FCP ( I do) and love it, but it's not up to the big boy leagues yet. Avid has had that market for far too long. And apple is catching up to them, they arent there yet.