Brandon Rice
Distributed Producer
And by the way, Sherwood's last film "Fireproof" was shot on Varicam as well, and they released in 900 theaters and made 33mil. at the box office.
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Azmyth wrote: The medium you shoot on only becomes a necessity when someone requests it. I've never heard of, or heard of anyone being asked to shoot on a specific format unless it was artistic in merit. Never for any other reasons.
Bottom line. Shoot on the format you want to, shoot what you enjoy, and don't worry about what everyone else is doing or whether or not its "professional".
And by the way, Sherwood's last film "Fireproof" was shot on Varicam as well, and they released in 900 theaters and made 33mil. at the box office.
No idea on all counts, but I guarantee you the distributor paid for it, but it wasn't anymore than any other film they distributed.
Every film goes through the SAME process, regardless if it was shot on Digital or 35mm. Bottom LINE!!!!!!!!
I'm in agreement with you regarding the fact that digital is another tool. And as someone pointed out interestingly, even VHS could be an artistic tool, as well as the Flip camera, iPhone, or the next gizmo someone invents.
Creativity is wonderful; there are more and more theaters that can screen a movie digitally now and it's a growing trend. I'm pretty sure 35mm will disappear within a certain period of time; however, I can't predict that and I don't think anybody knows.
I've heard many people, especially those that love film, say that there will always be an audience for 35mm movies and the theatrical experience. I think that may be true. However, it could be that no one will be shooting 35mm film in, say, 20 years. So even if a few movies are blown up to 35mm for theatrical screening, it might be just an artistic choice at that time.
But I'm talking about now and the opportunities of still shooting in the classical Hollywood style of filmmaking. I think there is a need for it and a legitimate reason to do it; but as you say, it's up to the artistic inclinations of the filmmakers and the producers putting up the money. So we're not disagreeing vehemently on any point really.
I wish you the best of luck with your movie endeavors. A bit of difference of opinion, but so what? This world is big enough for both of us![]()
Well, for our next project, we'll be shooting on RED, not 35mm. It will have theatrical distribution lined up before we roll cameras.
For you it's an oppurtunity, no one else cares. It's an aesthetic you're trying to get us to believe equates to professionalism. You even can't argue the point credibly.But I'm talking about now and the opportunities of still shooting in the classical Hollywood style of filmmaking.
Yes 35mm filmmaking needs to be preserved, just like hand lettering needs to be preserved in the comic book industry, but in 1980 good hand lettering and art were the height of making a professional comic, in 2010 everyone letters in either Photoshop, Indesign or Quark. Some people still hand ink, many people draw and scan the pencil work into a computer and then ink on the computer. This is the height of professionalism. The computer.I think there is a need for it and a legitimate reason to do it; but as you say, it's up to the artistic inclinations of the filmmakers and the producers putting up the money. So we're not disagreeing vehemently on any point really.
I didn't realize you're staying with the B-Movie genre for your second Christian niche film. I guess you have to play it safe. NGL worked, repeat....
Brandon is getting released in 100 theaters. If he shot in 35mm he'd be getting released in the same 100 theaters only his upfront cost would've been a lot more. Doesn't make a lot of sense does it? The format would not have suddenly made his film seen on 900 screens for niche market movie and if you've been at this as long as you say, then you should know this already. You can believe what you want but it's not true. If it is, where is the evidence of this? The evidence actually goes against everything you're saying. Every film I named had a big screen release nationwide. Again you've failed to make a decent argument for what you're saying and I'd even say it's hurting your credibility at this point.I think you guys are going to waste an opportunity to have a much bigger release just because it's the in thing now to shoot digital. I think that's where the mistake is.
1) What is the cost of blowing up digital to 35mm?
2) Who pays for the prints for the 900 theaters?
Aren't these costs deducted by the distributor before paying the producers their percentages?
3) Who has the 35mm master for such a production?
4) Does the 35mm master belong to the producer or the distributor?
Argue credibly? Are you trying to get me killed? :kali:This is the dvx user group! You've seen the threats I've gotten?For you it's an opportunity, no one else cares. It's an aesthetic you're trying to get us to believe equates to professionalism. You even can't argue the point credibly.
That's all I'm saying.Yes 35mm filmmaking needs to be preserved, just like hand lettering needs to be preserved in the comic book industry.
Sometimes an artist has to lie to himself -- just to keep going.What you see as the future is happening right now. NOT 20 YEARS FROM NOW! You're lying to yourself.
B-Movie is a classification that the studios came up with. Casablanca is a B-Movie. It's not my definition.You do understand, under your idea of what a B film is you're calling "Benjamin Button" and other major releases B movies, and you're doing what A movies?
It makes some sense, if you say so; but I truly can't say.... If he shot in 35mm he'd be getting released in the same 100 theaters only his upfront cost would've been a lot more. Doesn't make a lot of sense does it?
Nathyn! That wasn't nice! :undecidedAgain you've failed to make a decent argument for what you're saying and I'd even say it's hurting your credibility at this point.
If I had a feature film scheduled for theatrical release, I'd shoot in 35mm and finish in 35mm. The the distributor will not have to charge me $100,000 for a DI blow-up to 35mm IP and Dupe Neg. In fact, I'd see to it that it was in the contract.I think I mentioned a hundred times that your deliverables are essentially one HDCAM SR Master or at most ONE print. From there, the distributor strikes any and all release prints that go to theaters (if the film even gets in theaters!).
The format is important to me ... for many reasons. I have also reiterated them.I will reiterate that the format is unimportant as long as the film meets a professional, technical standard.
You have an excellent relationship then. Congratulations.I say this as one who has a two picture deal at Liongsate, one of those theatrical. Every format was bandied about when we were discussing the projects from super 16 to RED.
Can I use this as line in my movie?Again, NO ONE CARES.
I do, I do, Adam. Thanks for troubling yourself with my kickstarter funding thread.Please, Vic, Please take this to heart.
Dude, I'm serious. Listen to what people are telling you. Most of these guys are pros some of them have deals with big distributors and are telling you how it really goes down in 2010. I was on the phone with the distributor almost everyday. In fact small distributors don't want your film print, they want your HD master. That's the first thing they ask about is the HD master. Unless you got something so great, they won't even think about a theatrical release. There's films with huge stars in them they don't get theatrical. And if someone decides to do a theatrical release they'll go from the HD master.Nathyn! That wasn't nice! :undecided
I feel like this thread should be titled "Beating a Dead Horse" or "Pumping the Dry Well".. the latter probably more fitting given the original thread posting..
Or, "How to Waste Time on the Internet Instead of Making that Film Happen!"
And we are back to square one. Yay.
I have just one question.. is there no site for you to hang out?
Just curious why you'd want to hang out with a bunch of people who play with dead fish and sawed off digital cameras.
I feel like this thread should be titled "Beating a Dead Horse" or "Pumping the Dry Well".. the latter probably more fitting given the original thread posting... lol
Dude, I'm serious. Listen to what people are telling you. Most of these guys are pros some of them have deals with big distributors and are telling you how it really goes down in 2010. I was on the phone with the distributor almost everyday. In fact small distributors don't want your film print, they want your HD master. That's the first thing they ask about is the HD master. Unless you got something so great, they won't even think about a theatrical release. There's films with huge stars in them they don't get theatrical. And if someone decides to do a theatrical release they'll go from the HD master.
And you keep talking about how cheap it is, but it's still not cheap as my hard drive camera which takes NO FILM or TAPE + and lens adapter. Could there be problems with this? Yes, just like letting light hit undeveloped film. But most times, it all works out. And this whole thread started with you trying to get $25,000 to shoot a movie. Haven't you noticed...
...you can't afford to shoot 35mm.
You can drop 20k off you budget by doing a modern day version this story shot on HD. Even as period piece I think you can do it for $10k. Sale the Sony, get that JVC HM100 (Get an HG10, HF10/100 or HF20/200 you'll have some nice money left) and shoot this thing in 24p with one of those lens adapters you keep cracking on (which is no different than buying an adapter for a film camera to get it to take specific lens or attachment, and since you use film cameras as you should be use to adapters) and shoot the movie in 1080. You can output to 24p (there's a workflow for it) and do an HD master. Then you can have a lab print the film to 35 if you really need this done. And if a distributor thinks this movie is worth it, they'll pay for the print.
-Nate
I gotta just say..
This thread is absolutely hilarious.
(and not in a good way)