February 1st, 2006

I agree; I think what gets me. and it is something that is rampant, is that the non-dvx'ers tend to (and im speaking generally and not lumping people in one group) scream fanboy or cult or militant or whatever because we choose the dvx during this period. Its as if they want to say "But my camera is cool too..." well, thats great. I hope it is what you want.

Theres nothing on the market I want other than a DVX (under 5000K of course) so to me, there is no substitute. Dont rag at me cause Im at the dvxuser site and proudly saying "the dvx kicks ass and i love this camera". Go find another site if you cant handle it. I cant fathom another camera at this time and your not going to talk me into believing in
the other cameras (expecially the Sony) and Ill be damned if Im going to deinterlace to get to 24p.

One thing we can all agree on is, shoot shoot shoot and give us content. I too have seen killer things with other cameras (28 Days Later, man I was inspired) but over the course of the last couple years I have learned so much and now look at 28 Days Later and think "It really does look like crap though".

I dont know; seems we have this same conversation over and over; its a dvxuser site and so sue me for pimping the camera I love and sue me for looking at the other options and thinking "Why would you want to do indie filmmaking with that?"
 
John_Hudson said:
I dont know; seems we have this same conversation over and over; its a dvxuser site and so sue me for pimping the camera I love and sue me for looking at the other options and thinking "Why would you want to do indie filmmaking with that?"
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No doubt. It's a DVX site and you have every right to trumpet it -- most of us with other cameras also like the DVX, which is why we're here. But let's be honest -- it's because of the success of the DVX that this board has become one of the starting points for amateur filmmakers, and they come here to learn. Almost every other forum on the site is (rightfully) devoted to the glory of the DVX. But if you don't want us to talk about the FX1/Z1 or the XL2, why create these forums on the board? Is it just so you can keep saying that the DVX rules? Because you don't need a Sony section to do that.

I think the reason these parts of dvxuser.com exists is preceisely because it's such a hub for the beginning filmmaker. I think they're here so we can talk about the cams and compare them to one another, but I don't think they're here for us to say "there's no other cam even worth talking about except the DVX." We're talking about them because you put up some boards and thus invited us to talk about them!
 
I'll just say that as a newer member of this forum, I came here to find out information about film-making and cameras. While people "pimping" the DVX are to be expected, I do find that it gets distastefully out of hand at times. Of course - it does that in both directions. But one person "pimping" the DVX will only encourage someone else to "pimp" the XL2, FX1, Z1U or whatever camera they own... which rarely leads to anything constructive.
 
I Think it has to be said, that this particular thread was alway's going to end up this way anyway's ( a debate on camera's) since it was started as a post "what do you think the Camera market's going in the next year?" it's only normal that it would end up; "mine is better!" thread, so relax and if you don't want to read click back and just look at the posts on technical aspect's


you just have to understand that some people think filmmaking should be done a certain way, and most believe the point of using digital isn't because it's digital it's about using the camera that will give the best replication of a "film look" not a video look.... if that were the case than we'd all hit up the local thrift store and refurbish old S-VHS camera's... The DVX is what it' is, and right now I think it's the best camera to give the Film Look, certainly for it's price vs all the others in the catagory, If sony was releasing the upcoming HVX than I'd probably being praising sony, however I've seen the FX1 and don't like it myself.... it would never be a choice for me, ( p.s. I used sony dv cam's all through filmschool and they worked great, but the dvx wasn't out back then) and I'm sure the school I was at has now moved on to DVX's for there instiute as many of the schools have...

Like I said, everyone has there own taste, I'm sure actual 35mm user's are laughing at the idea of people like us trying to replicate the look when it's already there (just to damn expensive)

Why else be a filmmaker if not to make a short or feature that looks like film.... I'm making music video's right now and the first thing alway's asked by bands/artists who know nothing about the process is how much is this going to look like film?
 
scharky said:
because my wife wouldn't let me use our financial aid money for it:cheesy: .
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Ahhhhh, the wives! We should start a club and get jackets made! hahahaha

"THE MEN WHOSE WIVES WOULDN'T LET THEM GET STUFF THEY WANTED & NEEDED CLUB OF AMERICA"
I'd like to be the founding Secretary. Who will be the president? Vice president? Sergeant At Arms???

*smile*

- Shannon W. Rawls

I like this site because I am a DVX100a user/owner and this is where i learned all the thngs I didn't know about it. and guess what.......My PC is better then your MAC!!! *smile*
 
Woah , guys, easy... relax dont stress its causes grey hairs!

On a slightly different note, its seems the DRAKE boys have completed their final prototype go over to DVinfo have a look at the pictures... word has it that their are working on full 35mm cmos DTD (4:4:4 of course) camera, that my friend will indeed give the CineAlta's a damn good run for their money (i mean we are talking D20 and Dalsa Origin level).

I'm very interested by all this "pro-sumer/ indie" HD cameras that are now kicking off (i.e. HDX200, JVC HD100 and maybe even Canon who knows?) but sonner or later i think the indie people WILL want more (cuz its STILL 1/3") i mean even 2/3" in not really enough for the Hollywood big boys.

"I dream of full 35mm cmos" -end qoute
 
Well to get back to the initial atempt:

I believe that we all waited long enough to see things at NAB that will make us all wait another 6 months to buy those shiny things.

I believe that we will (by Feb 1st 2006) all try to do HD because it is a bit like sex. It's new and strange at the beginning and at first sight it is the greatest thing in the world. After you got used to it a bit you start testing around and then we all try to develope HHDV.

I believe the DVX will always be one of the most legendary cams. And I believe that I am very happy with my Z1E right now.
 
ShannonRawls said:
Ahhhhh, the wives! We should start a club and get jackets made! hahahaha

"THE MEN WHOSE WIVES WOULDN'T LET THEM GET STUFF THEY WANTED & NEEDED CLUB OF AMERICA"
I'd like to be the founding Secretary. Who will be the president? Vice president? Sergeant At Arms???

*smile*

- Shannon W. Rawls

I like this site because I am a DVX100a user/owner and this is where i learned all the thngs I didn't know about it. and guess what.......My PC is better then your MAC!!! *smile*
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I believe that your pc being better than a mac is an impossibility.
I believe that my FX1 is already about to be outdated, but I also believe i dont care.
I believe HDV is going to die at the hands of panasonic, but thats cool with me.
I believe content matters so much more than all the tech talk
 
sounds to me like Shannon is just trying to pimp the HDV format to everyone..

but meh...

I like making stuff... whether its out of clay.. or with a camera...

I am gonna go shoot some **** now..

(like honestly... gonna grab a gun and fire it at a bag of poop... then film it.. I'll let you know the results..)
 
Uh noooo... now Shannon is even smearing all his *smile*s and LOLOLOLs all over my beloved dvxuser.com too! *sigh*

@John Hudson... I'm cringing too! :-/

Hopefully he limits his posts to the Sony HDV section... else I think I have to come up with some kind of my personal Shannon-Rawls-Post-Filter... ;-)
 
*lol*
At least you're quite passionate about it... ;-)
Hm somehow I've just got an image on my mind... remember the cheshire cat from Alice in Wonderland?!
 
LOL

Shannon! That's it. You are the Cheshire Cat!


* SMILE *

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I believe!

I believe!

I believe that the technology exists right now to make an affordable "PRO" cam for under $10,000. But it won't be built. Why? because if it was who would spend a $100,000. on a Sony 950. Think about it. Why do things cost what they cost? Because thats what they can be sold for. Does anyone here really think that any of the big cam manufaturers can't put out a 3 chip cam with removable lenses pro audio yada yada yada for under, lets say $5,000.? Things being made nowadays in the east where they pay their workers $10 dollars a day, it can't be because of labour cost. R&D? The R&D has been done, its already in place, if it wasn't they couldn't make the bigger cams. It also has to do with volume of sales. But that is for another thread.
 
MDKfilms said:
I believe that the technology exists right now to make an affordable "PRO" cam for under $10,000. But it won't be built. Why? because if it was who would spend a $100,000. on a Sony 950. Think about it. Why do things cost what they cost? Because thats what they can be sold for. Does anyone here really think that any of the big cam manufaturers can't put out a 3 chip cam with removable lenses pro audio yada yada yada for under, lets say $5,000.? Things being made nowadays in the east where they pay their workers $10 dollars a day, it can't be because of labour cost. R&D? The R&D has been done, its already in place, if it wasn't they couldn't make the bigger cams. It also has to do with volume of sales. But that is for another thread.
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This comes up all the time.

Varying grades of cameras don't necessarily bite into other sales.

Look at the DVX/SDX. Or the DVX and a whole host of pro SD cams.

There are also very real economic realities in fine lens grinds, engineering, etc.. Not to mention patents and other possible royalties or fees.

(I'm reminded of the lament that DVDs cost pennies to make, so why do we have to pay $15-20 for one at Best Buy?)

(I'm also reminded of the 100 mpg carburetor that the oil/auto companies are sitting on, not wanting it to be released for fear of what it will do to sales.)
 
Why?

Why?

I'm not going to drag this thread out, i'm just going to make one last statement. Without sounding to much like an XFILES episode, I believe there are inventions or patents that are being "sat on" at this minute. One old example of an invention that was to be kept secret is velcro, invented for nasa, or discovered by them, it was suppose to be kept secret from the russians, but it got out. The other one that comes to mind is the "Tucker" automobile. All kinds of inovations that were ahead of their time, but it was crushed by the big 3. Lets face it, people don't give things away for free if they can avoid it. I make and sell widgets, I have my economy model and I have my deluxe model, do you think i'm going to tell you that they cost about the same to make. And yes, why do DVDs cost so much? They have no moving parts like a VHS cassette, digital transfer means you don't have to produce as many masters as you would have to for tapes, DVD players are getting about as cheap as DVDs, so tell me why? I would really like to know.
 
ShannonRawls said:
I like this site because I am a DVX100a user/owner and this is where i learned all the thngs I didn't know about it. and guess what.......My PC is better then your MAC!!! *smile*
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I believe someone has MAC envy!! :grin:

letsburnbridges said:
I believe that your pc being better than a mac is an impossibility.
I believe that my FX1 is already about to be outdated, but I also believe i dont care.
I believe HDV is going to die at the hands of panasonic, but thats cool with me.
I believe content matters so much more than all the tech talk
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I believe this man knows what he's talking about!! :thumbsup:

I believe this is the only Chesire Cat that matters:

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~reservoir~
 
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