February 1st, 2006

Re: February 1st, 2006

LOL

Is that some poor bastard inthe background working onthat piece of crap mini van?  LOL  And Chuck rolls up in the Spider.  Awesome.
 
Re: February 1st, 2006

In all honesty, I think everyone who's debating this is looking at it from the wrong perspective. Right now, today, with standard broadcast definition, we watch movies on HBO, cable, DVD's, etc. which were shot on film. Film, which has more definition than any video available, right?

None of us are watching it at it's full original definition. But the depth and detail and visual qualities are still retained after it's down converted, yes? Since all of us are obviously talking about dramatic narrative works when it comes to wanting 24p (because news broadcasts, sporting events, documentaries, etc. are all better served with the classic video look) the whole point of the camera is to give us a great artistic image to look at in the temporal movement of 24p so as to get the audience to gloss over what it was shot on and just get lost in the narrative (and/or music video). Hard to do dramatic narrative in classic video look and not feel like a soap opera or reality show, right?

To me, THAT'S the point of HD 24p video. To come as close to film look for that purpose without the cost associated with shooting on film. I seem to agree with John Hudson on this point that it will take quite some time before HD TV's are in every home in america simply because of price point. The day they come down to the cost for SD TV's is the day you'll start seeing most average Joe's owning one.

Tune in next week, same bat time, same bat station.
 
Re: February 1st, 2006

Actually, I've got 4 HDTV's, one 55" HDTV flatscreen in my brother's room at my main house, one 75" HDTV in the living room, one 37" HDTV in my mom's room, and one 27" HDTV flatscreen here in my dorm room..... :) I like weekend visits to home....


...... and mom only buys Mercedes (except the one Volkswagon Bug she bought for dad for his B-day)....
 
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[quote author=Jack_Felis link=board=sony;num=1109628592;start=15#24 date=03/02/05 at 20:10:36]Actually, I've got 4 HDTV's, one 55" HDTV flatscreen in my brother's room at my main house, one 75" HDTV in the living room, one 37" HDTV in my mom's room, and one 27" HDTV flatscreen here in my dorm room..... :) I like weekend visits to home....[/quote]

Damn! You want to fund a short film?? ;D
 
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[quote author=STORYTELLER32 link=board=sony;num=1109628592;start=15#25 date=03/02/05 at 20:16:54]

Damn! You want to fund a short film??  ;D[/quote]

LOL, I would like to, but college is currently kind of the knife in my side, so I can't really get all of my moviemaking stuff together. I'll probably be able to do a lot more once I get these goshdarned requirement classes out of the way :).
 
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[quote author=princigalli link=board=sony;num=1109628592;start=0#13 date=03/01/05 at 13:11:10]We'll see wjat Europe does, but for now Sony made 1080i available to the market. Panasonic slept and they are not going to catch up on this one. 2006? too late. by that time everybody will be equiped for 1080i. Later, whtn EU decides on a standard, things may change. But Panasonic is no longer in a position to change things anymore. Maybe JVC can.[/quote]

That's asinine. I can wait a long time before I get any form of HD, because I have no clients that are even interested in HD. Being the first to market doen't make you the winner, and that's even true if you have a superior product (as Sony did with consumer Beta, but they still got their butts kicked by JVC and VHS, and I say that as one who owned and loved beta). All Sony has done is fired the second shot (JVC fired the first), the first battle of the war begins at NAB, and if Panasonic gets it right, it will be a short war. Panasonic is in a great position to change things, and I believe they WILL change things.
As to my predictions: What Barry said.
 
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[quote author=Barry_Green link=board=sony;num=1109628592;start=0#3 date=02/28/05 at 14:46:27]Was there a gauntlet thrown down here?  I thought I saw... oh, here it is.[/quote]
LOL!!!

Oh man, my stomach hurts so much from laughing from that one-liner!


My name Frederic Segard, crappy videographers ;-), and by Feb 2006 I believe the following will happen:

- I believe that hell will freeze over before either standard emerges as a whiner... I mean winner.

- I believe that HD is but a tool to tell a story, but... 1080i will be the workhorse of broadcast news, "reality" shows, sports, etc… but 720p will be the dominant filmmaking, story-telling medium.

- I believe that since most flat panel HD sets are optimized for 720p viewing, and will continue to be by Feb 2006; that you're better off shooting 720p for better results.  For HD CRT sets, that's another matter... but I'd rather convert progresive to interlaced then the other way around any day!

- I believe that if the TV manufacturing industry has not drastically dropped the prices of those HD sets, it won't be until 2010 before HD really picks up at the consumer level.

- I believe that 720p will be the dominant computer playback format over 1080i or 1080p because of its manageable size, and because 1080 requires a heck of a lot more CPU power that the typical computer owning consumers still won't have by Feb 2006.

- I believe that H.264 will have gained a lot of ground over WMV.

- believe that every one has a point, and all of you are right AND wrong... and that includes me.  ;)
 
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And another thing,

- I believe that 720p will win out over 1080i in 1/3" CCD equipped cams for shoots requiring good low-light performance.  Period!

(You can't argue with physics... well, at least in theory! ::))
 
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my name is Neil R.,

heres my junk:

1. *I beleive many people i encounter on the internet have no idea what they are talking about when it comes to the equipment they are using or that is available.. yet *they are very anxious people so they assume any knowledge they find blowing in the wind on the net without having any actuall foundational understanding or fundamental knowledge to test the said information against. *and then they proceed to spew this misinformation out of their mouths like diarrhea. I beleive it is unfortunate that many people do not know what is good for them, but that i find it more annoying than saddening.

2. I believe i am a jaded individual

3. I believe that true progressive HD in some flavor has and will always be the professionals choice for motion picture production. I believe i couldnt care less about whats used for TV because im not aiming at becoming a television camera operator, but that serious drama on Tv will also always choose true progressive HD in some flavor.

4. I beleive that the new panasonic cam is going to blow the pants off ANY CURRENT COMPETING PROSUMER HDV camera simply because of the technical issues with HDV whether 24p and solid state memory or not.

5. I believe HDV will do some good and even great things, but that it is and will for a long time be a " wanna be " *HD format that tries to ride the coatails of the tried and tested professional flavors of HD cameras, and will for a long time be left with the burden of proof *that it can get the job done with its unquestionably inferior abilities. and pros would rather not deal with it and just go with a camera like the new panny that will be available whenever possible. I think that as compression and codecs get better we will likely see small bandwidth HD cameras based off other better compression. *but at the same time storage and data transfer speeds are rising while prices are dropping so we may just see more bandwidth added instead of better bandwidth reduction. *obviously, quality wise the latter is the better. *always better to widen the doorway so you fit through untouched then to break yourself to peices so you fit through the small doorway.


6. I believe very few of us will make it as filmmakers. regardless of our equipment.

7. I believe that i could care less if anything i believe now is later changed or abandoned because life and the world is dynamic. if we lived in an unchanging world *then trying to hold someone to thier beliefs *over *time would make sense. but since anything and everything is possible to change in the blink of an eye i dont really see the point of this thread aside from hearing the *current* *and immediate logic of some of the board members on the subjects noted.

8. I currently have just now decided to believe that my time is better spent *doing something else besides posting here..
 
Hi my name is BlueSpider:
Feb 1 2006, my punk ass will be broke! HD, SD, HiC, I'm more worried about writing an orginal screen play.
 
This whole "I believe" joke is starting to get on my nerves. It wasn't that funny to start with, it was even less funny when everyone started copying it.
 
I believe Shannon Rawls has too much internet time on his hands...hey bro, I thought you were out shooting?

I also believe the forum is kaput until NAB.
 
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