Barry_Green
Moderator
Bob, you can do that but not with just a single frame, you could do it with the entire clip. That's something P2 allows -- instant access to any frame or the entire clip.
Feature Request
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bgundu
Veteran
Barry, I realise that we could view footage on the P2 in camera. I just want a quick way to flip back and forth with live camera and stored data with the push and release of a button. Kind of like traditional cell animation when the animators flip back and forth to the previous frames.
ddh
Well-known member
P2 I think has a future. It's simply a question of volume size (50 to 100 gigs per card or there abouts) and a reasonable price. Let's face it, you can't beat solid state and that's what Panasonic is staking it's future on! Most people here remember when 4 to 6 gig computer hard drives were amazing! The one positive factor about tape is that when you do a shoot for someone else, you have to hand something over to the producer soon (in some cases immediately) after the shoot. With P2 and direct to disk you can't do that.
Barry_Green
Moderator
But with P2 you can dub to an off the shelf hard disk and hand that over. So no, it wouldn't be the same as handing over a tape... instead you'd hand over a pre-digitized hard disk which will save the producer hours and hours and hours of logging footage. Much better solution.
ddh
Well-known member
What I'd like to see added to the HDX200 is a USB2 slot that allows 4.4.4. recording directly from the CCD-A/D via ANDROMEDA (or any other similar system that will/ may come along.) If Panasonic got together with Reel-Stream and added their approach to cam modifications, the Reel-Stream people wouldn't have to modify cams themselves. Come on, Reel-Stream has come up with a beauty, so, Jan think about it!
ddh
Well-known member
Barry- that would work beautifully if I carry a Lap-top and firewire disk with me to some else's shoot! Basically, you're right though. The work-flow is not that much different and handing over a pre-digitized disk would make a producer stop and think about the tape question.
thisiswells
Retired
I think Focus Enhancements even has 50' and 100' Firewire cables that were originally made for the firewire multicam switcher they assimilated from Videonics. Now, who's to say you couldn't run a long cable from your camera to a videocart and just have somebody there to click "rec"
Barry_Green
Moderator
You don't have to have someone there. The camera can output the record signal. This is how we've been using DV Rack on the feature I'm producing now -- I'm also the DV Rack tech, and I never have to click record, the camera controls that.
FatKid
Member
I don't disagree with the IT solution. But "clients" are still in the dark on the whole HD thing, let alone backing up all the files to a server that they can't take with them. I myself would love to get rid of the hours of tape in our vault, the space freed up alone would be a savings. It is in the end a "client" driven business....the studios, the corporate types...they are just now learning we can shoot in HD for the same cost as digi-beta. The big news lately that American Idol is using Varicam....Creative vs corporate, tech vs. creative.
maybe someone can offer a resonable cost effective way to IT the workflow, that will allow us to archive and reimport the footage on a time effective budget. I am all ears!!! Anyone???
Thanks
maybe someone can offer a resonable cost effective way to IT the workflow, that will allow us to archive and reimport the footage on a time effective budget. I am all ears!!! Anyone???
Thanks
bilgami
Veteran
Feature Request?
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Will Panny be adding more features to the HVX200? If so Id like to put my 2 cents worth. A tape deck that shoots mini and large tapes for the DVC 50.[font="]
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Barry_Green
Moderator
Adding a DV50 tape deck would also add at least $7,000 to the price.
That's not gonna happen. Wish it were possible, but it isn't.
That's not gonna happen. Wish it were possible, but it isn't.
It would prabably take too much processing power but it would be cool if offloading the p2 to hdd could be done at the same time as a downconvert to dv tape using the internal deck. If down-converted footage looks at least as good dvx footage I can see myself maintaining a dv editing workflow through dvd mastering and leaving the master hd's on the shelf for future use. I am an indie filmmaker, I don't have bags of money for a new g5 and final cut 5, archive drives and work drives etc. 24p dv from the dvx looks good enough for me on dvd, even shown on a projector. It would be nice to be able to edit as if it was a dvx, my current set-up handles it, knowing that I have a higher res master on the shelf if I get picked for theatrical release or major broadcast. If double back-up could happen simultaniously it could easily be done during a change in set-up, at least on scripted narrative shoots. Or better yet, HD - p2, SD - dv simultaniously, so we only have to worry about backing up the p2. Time this takes on set is an issue I could probably wait 8 mins to back up the card before erasing it, but taking more time to layoff dv dailies would be an issue. Can the raw footage be read back from the firewire drive through the camera to be down converted to dv, or can this only be accomplished from the original p2.
wabbit
Evil has Ears
My big concerns are based on the great advances the DVX offered. I hope Panasonic keeps the quality of the audio input. The mic pres on the DVX are awesome for this level of camera. I hope Panasonic keeps this eye on quality audio when designing the HVX.
Also, the wider angle lens of the DVX is great. Unlike the other cameras at this prosumer price point you rarely need an adaptor to shoot wider shoots. Again I hope Panasonic provides a wider angle lens so we don't constantly have to have an adaptor weighting us down and making the shot trickier.
Another concern will be it's low light capability. Higher pixel count on the same size chip is gonna drive down the low light capabilty. I hope it is not too bad (probably little Panasonic can do there, physics is physics).
Lastly, with shooting HD the underscan becomes an issue. There is no forgiveness on a HD TV. I really hope Panasonic provides a viewfinder that shows the whole picture. Otherwise everytime you shoot HD you will need an external monitor. In that same vain, the focus had better be dead on. Having used the Varicam and seen others who struggle with focus on HD this is a real deal breaker. HD does not forgive soft focus.
My big thoughts and concerns with what will be the final HVX.
Also, the wider angle lens of the DVX is great. Unlike the other cameras at this prosumer price point you rarely need an adaptor to shoot wider shoots. Again I hope Panasonic provides a wider angle lens so we don't constantly have to have an adaptor weighting us down and making the shot trickier.
Another concern will be it's low light capability. Higher pixel count on the same size chip is gonna drive down the low light capabilty. I hope it is not too bad (probably little Panasonic can do there, physics is physics).
Lastly, with shooting HD the underscan becomes an issue. There is no forgiveness on a HD TV. I really hope Panasonic provides a viewfinder that shows the whole picture. Otherwise everytime you shoot HD you will need an external monitor. In that same vain, the focus had better be dead on. Having used the Varicam and seen others who struggle with focus on HD this is a real deal breaker. HD does not forgive soft focus.
My big thoughts and concerns with what will be the final HVX.
its probably got the same excact pres or better as the DVX
we already know the lense goes just as wide as the dvx .. but also goes more tele 13x
the ccd is also a new ccd with newer technology so low light performace may or may not be up to or better than the DVX but it will certainly be good none the less.
we already know that the LCD has a full underscan mode as well as a focus assist and zoom focus feature .. i believe it has a focus peaking feature as well. i dont think focus shoul be an issue at all.
we already know the lense goes just as wide as the dvx .. but also goes more tele 13x
the ccd is also a new ccd with newer technology so low light performace may or may not be up to or better than the DVX but it will certainly be good none the less.
we already know that the LCD has a full underscan mode as well as a focus assist and zoom focus feature .. i believe it has a focus peaking feature as well. i dont think focus shoul be an issue at all.
wabbit
Evil has Ears
Yeah, I forgot about the underscan mentioned in Jarred's write up. So, I went back I re-read....I guess I totally missed the lens range, doh!
Still will be concerned about the focus control and audio until I get one in my hot little hands.
The low light is probably gonna be harsh, but again, there is only so much you can do with a 1/3" chip.
Still will be concerned about the focus control and audio until I get one in my hot little hands.
The low light is probably gonna be harsh, but again, there is only so much you can do with a 1/3" chip.
I would like a function that lets me 'split' recordings while recording them. (Hm, sounds strange)
What I mean is that you have the possibility to delete bad takes. However, for ENG work it is not that handy to stop and restart shooting in order to seperate your footage. So a mode that allows to start/stop recording by holding the record button down for two seconds or so; and lets you start a new clip by pressing it instantly would be awsome and practical. Especially if the firestore understood that aswell.
Being able to trim afterwards would be cool, but not easy to do with the limited controls on a cam. And the touch screen suggested here somewhere is a bit to expensive I think
This solution seems affordable to Panna and practical to us. Well at least for me.
What I mean is that you have the possibility to delete bad takes. However, for ENG work it is not that handy to stop and restart shooting in order to seperate your footage. So a mode that allows to start/stop recording by holding the record button down for two seconds or so; and lets you start a new clip by pressing it instantly would be awsome and practical. Especially if the firestore understood that aswell.
Being able to trim afterwards would be cool, but not easy to do with the limited controls on a cam. And the touch screen suggested here somewhere is a bit to expensive I think
This solution seems affordable to Panna and practical to us. Well at least for me.
Bart_Boge
Well-known member
My feature wish-list:
1) A one-frame-at-a-time function is a no-brainer, especially given the P2. It makes the camera perfect for many different forms of animation (conventional cell animation, stop-motion/claymation, paint-on-glass, etc.).
2) Go ahead and put FW800 on it. Doesn't cost that much more, future-proofs the standard, and FW800 is both 100% backwards-compatable with FW400 and offers longer cable runs for capture-on-the go. It also offers 2x the throughput, but FW400 is already overkill for DVCPRO100 streams (drives, not the FW bus, are the data botllenecks, IMHO).
3) If FW800 is used, perhaps there is an easy, straight-from-the-chip uncompressed 4:4:4 stream that could be made available without mad-scientist camera mods. Hooked up to a super-fast, huge RAID array, one could possibly record uncompressed 1080p from this baby. If FW800 has a theoretical max of 800mps, how fat would uncompressed HD be? 500-600mps? Might still be possible with this cam for the 35mm-minded indie filmmaker. Most would find the DVCPRO100 spec more than sufficient, but for the aspiring George Lucases of the world, the extra color data might be worth the hassle.
4) Make the thing bulletproof durable. If you have to, machine the case out of a solid block of Soviet-missle titanium. G-shock cushion all of the inside mounts and take extra care reinforcing all of the optical support for the integrated lens. If you have to make it even more bulbous and ugly to make it tough, go right ahead.
5) I echo all the others who have requested features for fine focus--hi-res b/w viewfinder, etc. HD will not forgive us for being even slighty "out."
6) Panasonic--find a way to use P2 in EVERY PRODUCT YOU MAKE. All SD & HD cameras to P2. Save toaster oven presets to P2. TiVo to P2. Have boomboxes save mp3s to P2. P2, P2, P2, P2, P2. Any way you can increase overall demand and recoup the P2 R&D so that the prices can plummet quickly would be appreciated.
1) A one-frame-at-a-time function is a no-brainer, especially given the P2. It makes the camera perfect for many different forms of animation (conventional cell animation, stop-motion/claymation, paint-on-glass, etc.).
2) Go ahead and put FW800 on it. Doesn't cost that much more, future-proofs the standard, and FW800 is both 100% backwards-compatable with FW400 and offers longer cable runs for capture-on-the go. It also offers 2x the throughput, but FW400 is already overkill for DVCPRO100 streams (drives, not the FW bus, are the data botllenecks, IMHO).
3) If FW800 is used, perhaps there is an easy, straight-from-the-chip uncompressed 4:4:4 stream that could be made available without mad-scientist camera mods. Hooked up to a super-fast, huge RAID array, one could possibly record uncompressed 1080p from this baby. If FW800 has a theoretical max of 800mps, how fat would uncompressed HD be? 500-600mps? Might still be possible with this cam for the 35mm-minded indie filmmaker. Most would find the DVCPRO100 spec more than sufficient, but for the aspiring George Lucases of the world, the extra color data might be worth the hassle.
4) Make the thing bulletproof durable. If you have to, machine the case out of a solid block of Soviet-missle titanium. G-shock cushion all of the inside mounts and take extra care reinforcing all of the optical support for the integrated lens. If you have to make it even more bulbous and ugly to make it tough, go right ahead.
5) I echo all the others who have requested features for fine focus--hi-res b/w viewfinder, etc. HD will not forgive us for being even slighty "out."
6) Panasonic--find a way to use P2 in EVERY PRODUCT YOU MAKE. All SD & HD cameras to P2. Save toaster oven presets to P2. TiVo to P2. Have boomboxes save mp3s to P2. P2, P2, P2, P2, P2. Any way you can increase overall demand and recoup the P2 R&D so that the prices can plummet quickly would be appreciated.
