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Really need advice now... thinking to (finally) pick up a Tokina 11-16, but then I have no idea what that 11mm will be on m4/3... Math brain lockup... Also how much bokeh is lost, cus that's what I really need, surreal, scary, bokeh wideshot... shooting this scene with one of the Panasonic lenses is a last resort :undecided

Or does Olympus have some kind of prime?
edit: well speed mostly cus its a low light scene, will have to go crazy iso if using a Panny stock lens
 
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The point of a wide shot or establishing shot is to have everything 'in' focus. Bokeh not spoken here.
 
super wide and bokeh are oxymoronic.

however, you will get a crop factor of about 2x or so so your Tokina will go 22-32 (approx.)

if you want to go crazy wide, the Lumix 7-14 is the deal.

jeff
 
" Crop Factor" not spoken here. I really don't care what the field of view is in vistavision terms ( or full frame 35mm still film camera frame size) because that's a specialty motion capture format that doesn't get used very much and doesn't apply to any motion capture cameras besides a vistavision camera 5D or other FF 35 still camera.

11 mm is 11mm and what image size or format one is capturing makes the difference in field of view. I used Pcam to calculate the horizontal field of view for each focal length in AF 100 sensor size terms.

11mm in vistavison format would give a horizontal view of 119.49 deg
7mm in vistavision is 139.27 deg.
 
Mark Smith said:
" Crop Factor" not spoken here. I really don't care what the field of view is in vistavision terms ( or full frame 35mm still film camera frame size) because that's a specialty motion capture format that doesn't get used very much and doesn't apply to any motion capture cameras besides a vistavision camera 5D or other FF 35 still camera.

11 mm is 11mm and what image size or format one is capturing makes the difference in field of view. I used Pcam to calculate the horizontal field of view for each focal length in AF 100 sensor size terms.

11mm in vistavison format would give a horizontal view of 119.49 deg
7mm in vistavision is 139.27 deg.
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Mark Smith said:
" Crop Factor" not spoken here. I really don't care what the field of view is in vistavision terms ( or full frame 35mm still film camera frame size) because that's a specialty motion capture format that doesn't get used very much and doesn't apply to any motion capture cameras besides a vistavision camera 5D or other FF 35 still camera.

11 mm is 11mm and what image size or format one is capturing makes the difference in field of view. I used Pcam to calculate the horizontal field of view for each focal length in AF 100 sensor size terms.

11mm in vistavison format would give a horizontal view of 119.49 deg
7mm in vistavision is 139.27 deg.
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I dig that .. Pcam is a good thing as are the old ASC charts .. but ..
People get used to FOV with their format and lenses. Change formats .. this can lead to surprises.

Just pointing that out (as with the bokeh thing ).
 
Whats the Shot? whats the story or mood? why does the director etc want this shot? Wide and supper shallow surealnes?

Can the forground be macro? or a cu of tallent?

the Voightland 25mm .95 or a cheep Cmount 25mm 1.2 is a good start... and wide and shallow depth of feild try throwing on Diapters.

Tilt shift on wide lenes can also give you a simular effect.
 
The Tokina 11-16mm is a fantastic lens on the AF-100. I would definitely put it on the "must have" list. Very wide and doesn't distort much. I considered the super wide Panny and Nikons, but those distorted way too much for my taste.
 
Jarek Zabczynski said:
The Tokina 11-16mm is a fantastic lens on the AF-100. I would definitely put it on the "must have" list. Very wide and doesn't distort much. I considered the super wide Panny and Nikons, but those distorted way too much for my taste.
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+1 on the tokina, best ultra wide for AF100. 11mm is more than wide enough 99% of the time, and usually I find 16mm is wide enough. You cant go wrong with it.
 
Looks like an interesting lens. What mount and adaptor are people using with this, and how is the aperture controlled ?
 
I use the Olympus 11-22mm 2.8-3.5 to cover very wide. It is crystal clean and the AF-100 will set the aperture on the wheel. You need a 4/3 to m4/3 adapter. Two words of caution: It "clicks" as it automatically adjust exposure when you zoom so that limits it to a variable prime for me, and it spins continuously which can be a pain with a follow focus. I use the read out on the lcd when using a follow focus and that works OK.

Can someone tell me, does the Tokina 11-16 have hard stops on the focus ring?
 
Here is a 720p YouTube test of the Panasonic 7-14mm on the AF-100/102 ($985 from Amazon).

Personally, I'm leaning towards either the Olympus 9-18mm ($599) or the 17mm prime ($255). Because they're compatible with the AF100, you won't need an adapter (like you will with the Tokina) and they are a little less expensive.
 
hscully said:
Can someone tell me, does the Tokina 11-16 have hard stops on the focus ring?
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No to hard stops, there is infinite spin on nikon and canon mount.
(edit: sorry I corrected this post 23. I'm always in AF lately and its infinite spin. Hardstops in MF )

But why would you want to pull focus on a wide shot?
As I mentioned in my earlier post, the point of a wide or establishing shot is to have everything in focus.
 
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For micro 4/3rd shooters wanting to use the tokina 11-16 you should get the nikon mount version.
Unlike the canon mount version the nikon tokina 11-16 has the aperture controlled by a lever next to the rear element.

A few years back when the gh1 came out I shot with a dumb mount with no aperture control. It was bought from ceicio7 on ebay. These days you can get m43 to f-mount with aperture controllers but if you can't there are still tricks.

I used a short stem from a Q-tip (cottonbud in the uk) cut to about 15mm long. You can wedge it in the grove of the lens lever
and the aperture stays wide open. (The aperture default on nikon is closed, the default on canon is wide open)
Actually I would position it very close to wide open for optimum sharpness - then I would control the exposure with 1/3rd iso adjustments.
 
The Tokina 11-16mm lens is an asp-c lens. However, depending on your frame of reference the field of view (FOV) will be different. If you come from 'Full Frame' Land (5dmkii) then the FOV acts as 22-32mm. However all other characteristics of this lens will be that of a 11-16mm lens. A 11mm lens is an 11mm lens on any camera that you put it on. Depth of field, distortion, etc. The ONLY thing that changes is the field of view, and compared to full frame (5d) the crop factor for field of view is 2x. SO simply multiply the lens number by two to get the equivalent lens length field of view. If you are used to ASP-C (7d) sensors then yes the crop factor comparing what you are used to with lenses on ASP-C sensors is 1.4x.
 
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