F3: F3 -Professional

VinceinLA

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I just had to report this to all the Sony Cinealta nerds.

I was doing a 2-day shoot last week for a well known network. Was using, yet again, the F3 with a Blade (wish it was an Ody 7Q but oh well). $100/hour, producers stressed, huge time crunch, and some of it was live streaming to who knows how many people, the rest was high-end interview stuff of a ton of TV personalities. B-cam was someone with a Canon SLR set-up with lots of expensive add-ons and another 2nd unit A-cam was a C100.

With a big TV producer standing, waiting for the first morning shoot, sound shows up and couldn't figure out how to jam timecode on the Canon for 10 minutes. I said I would A-cam that particular piece and showed him my TC port and he was very happy, as was the producing team. C100 team goes to set up the big interview area later and guess what? No SDI for the just-rented monitor. I show them a choice of SDI's.

Post had to transcode and turn around huge loads of footage within a day or less. They couldn't believe I was handing over ready-to-go Prores. I told them I was also automatically backing up everything to xdcam just in case they lose something. Smiles all around.

THEN it's morning of day two. B-cam (Canon 5D or 7D) shuts down. He got it working for a minute and it shut down again. New batteries and nothing. Rebooting, etc.. it was simply dead. 25year vetern producer walks up to me and says "Sony just works, doesn't it?" I said, "Yep... $20,000+ worth of gear verse $3000... you get what you pay for."

Two more gigs were booked from these guys by the close of 2nd day.
 
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loveit!
I just had to report this to all the Sony Cinealta nerds.

I was doing a 2-day shoot last week for a well known network. Was using, yet again, the F3 with a Blade (wish it was an Ody 7Q but oh well). $100/hour, producers stressed, huge time crunch, and some of it was live streaming to who knows how many people, the rest was high-end interview stuff of a ton of TV personalities. B-cam was someone with a Canon SLR set-up with lots of expensive add-ons and another 2nd unit A-cam was a C100.

With a big TV producer standing, waiting for the first morning shoot, sound shows up and couldn't figure out how to jam timecode on the Canon for 10 minutes. I said I would A-cam that particular piece and showed him my TC port and he was very happy, as was the producing team. C100 team goes to set up the big interview area later and guess what? No SDI for the just-rented monitor. I show them a choice of SDI's.

Post had to transcode and turn around huge loads of footage within a day or less. They couldn't believe I was handing over ready-to-go Prores. I told them I was also automatically backing up everything to xdcam just in case they lose something. Smiles all around.

THEN it's morning of day two. B-cam (Canon 5D or 7D) shuts down. He got it working for a minute and it shut down again. New batteries and nothing. Rebooting, etc.. it was simply dead. 25year vetern producer walks up to me and says "Sony just works, doesn't it?" I said, "Yep... $20,000+ worth of gear verse $3000... you get what you pay for."

Two more gigs were booked from these guys by the close of 2nd day.
 
I've been joking for years that Sony's unofficial slogan is "Sony. It works."

And what's more - that $20k camera kit, now available for under $5k.
 
I've been on plenty DSLR shoots, and it's almost always necessary to plan a backup DSLR or two.

Yes Sony was meant for video, and it works.

:cool:
 
Fortunately more and more producers in the past couple years have finally accepted/realized, you get what you pay for and there is no free lunch with a DSLR.
 
Fortunately more and more producers in the past couple years have finally accepted/realized, you get what you pay for and there is no free lunch with a DSLR.
I think initially the producers fell in love with low rates (rental, freelancers, etc) that the DSLR boom ushered in. But it was also a mixed bag, some of those guys on DSLRs were industry pros and others were less experienced and were people who just happened to have $800 for a T2i. I know a place who (for budgetary reasons) said they were "looking for a DSLR shooter" and turned me down because of the higher rates associated with my experience + gear. But then heard from them later on that they ended up booking some kid right out of a college with a DSLR and ended up with almost nothing usable from him on their 5 day out-of-state shoot. Needless to say, I got booked for their next trip.
 
The F3 is a great camera. And now it costs less than a DSLR.
Frankly if you are not shooting high frame rates, there is no reason to look further.
 
Love the F3. Not having TC sync without the extension unit is one of the only design flaws of the FS7 for me. Love having multiple SDI outs and couldn't go back to HDMI only cameras. Professional standard inputs exist for a reason.
 
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This thread really makes me happy.

Even though I have an FS7 I still have plenty of love for my F3. It's what I call a proper camera :)

Paired up with my new O7Q+ the IQ is the best 1080p period. And with its current used price why would one even consider using a DSLR.

Surinder.
 
I have always wanted to buy a Sony F3. What is the best it can do internally? Is the 444 SLOG upgrade only through external recorders?
 
Internal recording is 4:2:0 8-bit Long GOP at 35 Mbits. Out the HD-SDI port you get 422 10 bit uncompressed. It also has two other HD-SDI ports, labelled A and B which have switchable amounts of data delivery. You can get. 1.5 Gbit out of the A port or if you pair them up you get 3G at 60 frames a second 1080 at either 422 or 444 depending on whether or not you have the RGB upgrade or not (on the 444 output). Slightly more detailed than that but you get the picture.

EDIT:

The sensor like almost all HD sensors are not capable of delivering full and true 444 chroma resolution, like the Sony F35, however, it is close to true 444 chroma.
 
To clarify -

The Sony F3 pulls from a 3.36MP sensor, and while it does offer an RGB444 encoded output, like most 1080p cameras, it's not pulling from enough photosites to have actually captured true 444.

The F23 and F35 are two 1080p cameras that can deliver true RGB444. In the case of the F35, it's a 12.4MP sensor... essentially quadruple the photosites of the Sony F3.
 
If you can live with HD resolution a used F3 with the full slog upgrade is pretty much unbeatable for the price. What else offers that much camera in terms of IQ and connectivity for roughly $4500-5000? My guess is that at $8k the FS7 is the only real competitor out there. (circa $12k for FS7 with RAW). Cameras like the CION, BMC and Canon don't give you the same combination of dynamic range, high iso noise and connectivity for that price.

I think the worst I can say about the F3 is that I wish it was 12bit or 16bit, instead of 10bit. I believe that is a limitation of it technically being a broadcast camera. That said I have rarely run in to an issue where I have experienced banding and wished for a 'fatter' file.
 
If you can live with HD resolution a used F3 with the full slog upgrade is pretty much unbeatable for the price. What else offers that much camera in terms of IQ and connectivity for roughly $4500-5000? My guess is that at $8k the FS7 is the only real competitor out there. (circa $12k for FS7 with RAW). Cameras like the CION, BMC and Canon don't give you the same combination of dynamic range, high iso noise and connectivity for that price.

I think the worst I can say about the F3 is that I wish it was 12bit or 16bit, instead of 10bit. I believe that is a limitation of it technically being a broadcast camera. That said I have rarely run in to an issue where I have experienced banding and wished for a 'fatter' file.

I am interested in how a F3 recording 10bit to external recorder would compare
to the FS700's RAW 4K to HD into the Odyssey 7Q.
 
If you can live with HD resolution a used F3 with the full slog upgrade is pretty much unbeatable for the price. What else offers that much camera in terms of IQ and connectivity for roughly $4500-5000? My guess is that at $8k the FS7 is the only real competitor out there. (circa $12k for FS7 with RAW). Cameras like the CION, BMC and Canon don't give you the same combination of dynamic range, high iso noise and connectivity for that price.

I think the worst I can say about the F3 is that I wish it was 12bit or 16bit, instead of 10bit. I believe that is a limitation of it technically being a broadcast camera. That said I have rarely run in to an issue where I have experienced banding and wished for a 'fatter' file.

I just bought an F3 with body armour, baseplate and nikon adapter for around 2800$ (in sweden). Im coming from Nikon DSLRs and as I was upgrading I noticed the F3 cost quite a bit less than Nikons new D810. I also got an SxS to SDHC adapter so basicly the cost for the camera to be up and running was zero. Adding an hyperdeck felt like going from a really good image to an REALLY good image.

Also love the Macgregors Slog to Cineon LUT giving me all kinds of Kodak colors in a very quick way.

For users coming from DSLRs and other small cameras there is the aspect of size and weight though.
You will probably have to buy new tripods, bags and a good viewfinder/monitor.
 
I am interested in how a F3 recording 10bit to external recorder would compare
to the FS700's RAW 4K to HD into the Odyssey 7Q.

I can't answer that question since I have never graded FS700 RAW filws.
But I have a lot of experience with various footage going back to the film days.

I recently finished a short on the F3 shot in uncompressed 10bit slog RGB444 to the Gemini444.

The footage was run through a techicolor emulation process and then graded. At times it had to be pushed quite hard, but throughout the process it held up incredibly well. I thought it was more plyable than some material I have worked on out of the RED, obviously Prores444 and even some film scans.
 
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