External Recorders

Robert Bale Eventshd said:
I have a Question we have a Odyssey7Q+, as if we set the X200 to System or 1080i SDI OUT we see the image, but if we set it to 1080P out , we can't seem to get a SDI OUT signal.??

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Trying to understand the question. Are you saying you change the setting on the camera feeding to the Odyssey or the setting on the Odyssey?
 
If I understand correctly, you change the output of the camera to 1080p and the Odyssey7Q+ receives it but the output from the Odyssey7Q+ to other monitors no longer shows a picture.

If this is the case, then on the Odyssey go to the OUTPUT menu and change VIDEO PSF OUT to ON. This is because your other monitors do not accept a true progressive signal so you need to change t to a PSF signal.
 
Panatastic I see that you have the Ninja Flame and use it with the DVX200 and are happy with the results. I just got the Flame and installed some free LUTs on it. So far I like the Panasonic Varicam LUT when shooting in V-Log. Just wondering what your setup is when using the the DVX200 and the Flame.
 
At 43rumors.com there is a new posting stating the new GH5 will have 4K and 10bit 422 internal recording. I'm hoping Panny will have an updated DVX with the same capabilities.
 
nutmegger said:
At 43rumors.com there is a new posting stating the new GH5 will have 4K and 10bit 422 internal recording. I'm hoping Panny will have an updated DVX with the same capabilities.
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I totally Agree!! Come on Barry, put the bug in Panasonic's Ear! Considering the DVX200 costs $4,000 and the new GH5 will most likely cost around $1,800 I don't see how Panny can not upgrade the firmware to 10bit 4:2:2 Internal!!
 
Firmware's irrelevant, if the hardware doesn't support it. As I understand it, if there's going to be a 10-bit-recording DVX, it'll have to be a new model, like a DVX200A or DVX250 or something like that.
 
Thanks for the reply Barry, Do you know for a fact that the current DVX-200's hardware is not capable? My reason for making sure is it would mean the difference of buying an external recorder, or not, for me.
 
7DDude, Before you decide against an External Monitor Recorder remember it isn’t only a Recorder, I’ve listed some of the other things a PIX-E5 offers.

Monitoring Tools & Scopes
LUTs
Waveform Monitor
Vectorscope
Histogram
TapZoom™
Peaking
Zebras
False Colors
Frame Markers
Four Way View
Pro Res HQ Recording
Plus H264 Recording
 
7DDude, used the Ninja Flame with the DVX200 on Friday for a shoot at a car dealership. The shoot was strictly b-roll outside in the bright sun. I did not shoot in V-log, the client needed the footage right away. The producer on site was astounded on how well he could see the image off the Ninja Flame in the bright sun (no sunshade needed) and was equally impressed with the recorded footage from the Flame. If you are looking for an external recorder/monitor and do ANYTHING outside, this may be the devise for you.
 
7DDude said:
Thanks for the reply Barry, Do you know for a fact that the current DVX-200's hardware is not capable? My reason for making sure is it would mean the difference of buying an external recorder, or not, for me.
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I do not know the particular hardware details, but if you knew the level of rampaging and screaming and howling and complaining and arguing and begging and demanding and threatening and bargaining I did to convince them of the desirability of internal 4:2:2 10-bit... well, all I can say is that if they withstood all that and still released it as 8-bit 4:2:0, the only conceivable, fathomable reason is that the encoder chip they used must not be capable of more. I am convinced that the hardware is not capable of more and I advise all buyers to understand that if they want or need 10-bit 4:2:0, the only path on this camera is through an external recorder.
 
Barry_Green said:
I do not know the particular hardware details, but if you knew the level of rampaging and screaming and howling and complaining and arguing and begging and demanding and threatening and bargaining I did to convince them of the desirability of internal 4:2:2 10-bit... well, all I can say is that if they withstood all that and still released it as 8-bit 4:2:0, the only conceivable, fathomable reason is that the encoder chip they used must not be capable of more. I am convinced that the hardware is not capable of more and I advise all buyers to understand that if they want or need 10-bit 4:2:0, the only path on this camera is through an external recorder.
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Well, That's good info Barry, and thanks for that. I'm looking into getting a external recorder now for my DVX-200, But from what I have heard (Rumors) the GH5 will be having 10bit 4.2.2 internal, I'm also wanting to add a Second Camera, and I loved my GH3(Got Stolen) so I think the new GH5 will work well with the DVX-200 and give me some advantages from a smaller camera point, Very easy to put on an inexpensive stabilizer.

Also, thanks for all the info and advice from everyone here on this thread, This forum is getting very rich in info and a good mixture of shooters!
 
Vardalos said:
7DDude, Before you decide against an External Monitor Recorder remember it isn’t only a Recorder, I’ve listed some of the other things a PIX-E5 offers.

Monitoring Tools & Scopes
LUTs
Waveform Monitor
Vectorscope
Histogram
TapZoom™
Peaking
Zebras
False Colors
Frame Markers
Four Way View
Pro Res HQ Recording
Plus H264 Recording
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I'm doing some research now on Monitor/Recorders, I noticed that the Pix-E5 only has 500-Nit brightness, How does it work for you outside? I did see that the Ninja-Flame has a 1500 Nit brightness.
 
jpvid said:
7DDude, used the Ninja Flame with the DVX200 on Friday for a shoot at a car dealership. The shoot was strictly b-roll outside in the bright sun. I did not shoot in V-log, the client needed the footage right away. The producer on site was astounded on how well he could see the image off the Ninja Flame in the bright sun (no sunshade needed) and was equally impressed with the recorded footage from the Flame. If you are looking for an external recorder/monitor and do ANYTHING outside, this may be the devise for you.
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Our you able to activate the recording from the DVX-200, how? Have you run into any incompatibilities with SSD drives?
 
7DDude said:
I'm doing some research now on Monitor/Recorders, I noticed that the Pix-E5 only has 500-Nit brightness, How does it work for you outside? I did see that the Ninja-Flame has a 1500 Nit brightness.
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Every external recorder will have good and bad points, I like the PIX-E Monitor Recorders for their build quality and that they allow simultaneously recording of 4K 422 10bit Pro Res HQ on the Speed Drive and HD H264 on the SD Card. https://youtu.be/HAKf-ne09ow
 
Barry_Green said:
I do not know the particular hardware details, but if you knew the level of rampaging and screaming and howling and complaining and arguing and begging and demanding and threatening and bargaining I did to convince them of the desirability of internal 4:2:2 10-bit... well, all I can say is that if they withstood all that and still released it as 8-bit 4:2:0, the only conceivable, fathomable reason is that the encoder chip they used must not be capable of more. I am convinced that the hardware is not capable of more and I advise all buyers to understand that if they want or need 10-bit 4:2:0, the only path on this camera is through an external recorder.
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Barry, could you clear something up in your manual for me?
On page 78, this is what I read: " The HDMI port is fully capable of outputting every format that the camera can record, at full resolution and full frame rate, and in 4:2:2 color" , Is this 8bit or 10bit?

Then on page 79 it reads:" There are a couple of limitations to the HDMI output that you need to be aware of, both are encountered when the camera is in UHD 59.94P or 50P mode.
First, the camera is incapable of outputting 10-bit 4:2:2 when set to UHD 59.94P or 50P; the HDMI output changes to 8-bit 4:2:0 in that case.It is always 8-bit 4:2:2 in all other recording modes, but specifically in UHD 59.94P and 50P, it can only output 8-bit 4:2:0."

This is a little confusing to me. Any clarity would be appreciated, Love this Guide, use it quite often, Thank you
 
Yeah, that was a confusing scenario, and it took some effort to figure out what was going on.

The book went through several drafts as I learned more and more about the camera. Now I can say more clearly what's going on: the output of the HDMI port is always 4:2:2, unless you're set to UHD/60p or 50p. In those cases, it's 8-bit 4:2:0, period. It cannot output 10-bit 4:2:2 in UHD 60p or 50p, it can only output 8-bit 4:2:0 when in UHD 60p/50p. And, of course, that's only when live monitoring; when you go to record internally the HDMI drops to 1080p during the recording.

As for whether the output is 8-bit or 10-bit: if you've set it to 10-bit output, then it's always 10-bit output (except in the aforementioned UHD 50p/59.94p scenario, in which case it's always 8-bit 4:2:0). Other than that one exception, it's always 10-bit 4:2:2.

So -- you can always have 10-bit 4:2:2 output except for when the camera is in UHD 59.94p or 50p. You cannot record when the 10-bit setting is set.

Or, you can always have 8-bit 4:2:2 in all scenarios, except when the camera is set to UHD 59.94p or 50p. When set to 8-bit 4:2:2 in UHD 59.94/50p, the output is 8-bit 4:2:0 during standby, and the output becomes 1080p 8-bit 4:2:2 when you tell the camera to internally record UHD 59.94 or 50p.

The more I think about it, the more I wonder if that clarification makes much sense, but -- that's the state of things, so hopefully it makes sense.
 
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