External (portable) recorder for EX3

evom said:
Also in you opinion, what flavour of Prores is similar to EXcam's 35mbs codec. I know your's is 4:2:2 10bit etc and better straight up but considering storage would the low res Prores codec be similar or what? I am thinking of long form filming, events etc and the Excam is pretty good compression wise where prores will chew through the gb's.
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Evom,

Expect to use more data space if you go ProRes instead of XDCAM-EX. As much as 4x as much space. Only the ProRes proxy codec has a similar footprint to XDCAM-EX, and it's designed for, well... proxy use. Offline edits and such.

The ProRes white paper is a good read: http://images.apple.com/finalcutstudio/docs/Apple_ProRes_White_Paper_July_2009.pdf

The ProRes (LT) codec may be suitable for your needs, it's designed for long form event & multicam shooting.

At 1920x1080 30p or 60i the ProRes (LT) codec uses 46GB per hour.

The white paper has full charts.
 
Also in you opinion, what flavour of Prores is similar to EXcam's 35mbs codec. I know your's is 4:2:2 10bit etc and better straight up but considering storage would the low res Prores codec be similar or what? I am thinking of long form filming, events etc and the Excam is pretty good compression wise where prores will chew through the gb's.
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Really, no version of ProRes is similar to EXCam's codec, because ProRes doesn't use inter-frame coding. In other words, each frame is complete in it's own right and has no dependency on any other frames. The key advantage is that there are no motion artifacts. So even a lower bitrate version of ProRes will be better for high-motion scenes, even though there may be some other mild compression artifacts. If you go for the higher rates, then they are visually lossless and comparable to uncompressed video. With our devices, you can use low-cost commodity hard drives in most cases, so that storage costs are almost invisible compared to solid-state.

Samurai is still scheduled for mid-late summer, but we are dependent on component availability following the Japanese earthquake. We don't think this will affect us too much, though.

Dave Shapton
Atomos
 
I was reviewing the listings for the HyperDeck Shuttle, and realized that those 'drives' they're selling for $232 each are not the drives, but 'drive covers'! This changes a few things.. so you need to spend $232 for a fancy 'cover' to wrap around your SSD drive just to use it with the Hyperdeck. Okay, I missed that little snafu. I guess no HD-SDI recording for me this summer!
 
I also was looking at the Hyperdeck shuttle, and called blackmagic. I was curious if the unit could record when you hit the record button on the camera, they said it does not. bummer. I would not want to have to remember to hit that extra record button everytime is used in the field.
 
basspig said:
I was reviewing the listings for the HyperDeck Shuttle, and realized that those 'drives' they're selling for $232 each are not the drives, but 'drive covers'! This changes a few things.. so you need to spend $232 for a fancy 'cover' to wrap around your SSD drive just to use it with the Hyperdeck. Okay, I missed that little snafu. I guess no HD-SDI recording for me this summer!
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ARe you talking about this:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...sign_HYPERD_XC90_HyperDeck_SSD_Covers_90.html

I can't find any mention of SSD drive cases except these which are just 90 cases for storing not using with the hyperdeck.

From another forum:

Hi,

"What is? Do the HyperDeck (Shuttle and Studio) require a cartridge in order to use the SSDs?
"

No, you do not need any kind of cases or adapters to use SSDs in the HyperDeck recorders. These are just covers to store your SSDs :) We figured you'll need them as SSDs will become the tapes for the 21st century!

regards

Kristian Lam
Blackmagic Design
 
Mark, that's just for the cases. And you get 90 of them for $280 it looks like.

Usually the things you put into the recorders are called caddies.
 
It drives me crazy that so many companies now announce 'products' many months, even a year or more, in advance. I want a recorder now but I don't want to pay $2,900 for a nanoFlash with all these other announcements, but these things keep getting delayed and delayed. If a nanoFlash was $1,900 I'd get one in a nano flash but I feel it will drop once the plethora of announced devices hit the market. I'm not a full-time videographer so I don't "have" to have it to rely on income, but I do have some projects/docs I want to shoot at higher bit rates. I'll keep waitin' it out I guess.
 
Hey Buck, I was going to offer to rent you a Nano for cheap, but the way you keep dropping your camera in the ocean and rivers I don't think that would be a good idea. LOL

Nanos have very few moving parts. Used ones are usually in great shape when you can find one.
 
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