EX3 $8320 at B&H

"Overboard" is subjective. Some people really like the vignette look, or the soft edges, etc. I see it a lot especially when people shoot with the 35mm adapters. It's all a matter of taste (I'm not a fan of it myself but that's just me). I like tack sharp edge-to-edge, but then again I'm not shooting cinematic 'emotional' footage, I'm shooting more wilderness adventure, documentary, focusing on the beauty of the wilds so I need to go wide and deep most of the time. I was just concerned because, as you know, some of the earlier EX1 versions had a vignetting issue and yours was showing a lot of it... but if you did it in post, that's cool. I had to return my first EX1 due to a broken eye cup that shipped DOA, my new one should be here any day and the serial number on it is in the 6000+ range so I'm excited to get a fresh cam. Hopefully I'll have some footage up and running before too long.
 
puredrifting said:
Depends on what you are shooting. I shot a baseball game and most of the base steals and tracking with runners coming in to home were unusable. I shot 60fps stuff and it was horrible. Not a little skewing, a lot, like the shot was made through Jello, hence the new name for the footage ©JelloVision. Go and shoot car racing with it. Unusable. Basically anything with high speed continuous panning is going to look weird.
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Dan,

I've read about this issue, but I haven't seen any footage. I'd like to see what it looks like. Can you post a clip on Vimeo with camera settings?

Thanks,

Dan.
 
You could rent some lenses and find out which one suits your needs best. It might be difficult in a small market, but you can have the lens shipped from NYC, Chicago, LA or some other large market. Buy the HPX500 camera body, rent the lens that best suits the project.
 
Dan Clark said:
Dan,

I've read about this issue, but I haven't seen any footage. I'd like to see what it looks like. Can you post a clip on Vimeo with camera settings?

Thanks,

Dan.
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Not Dan, but this is what it looks like:

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If I'm not mistaken, Dan wasn't asking about the rolling shutter effect from flashes, but 'motion' effects.

Regarding lots of frame-filling flashing lights and CMOS, no doubt about that issue. But at the same time, and for me what I consider a worse problem for what I'll be shooting, is that streaming vertical smear line you get from lights at night on CCD based chips. Like shooting a guy with a headlamp, or even a streetlight... you get that obnoxious line that shoots vertically across the frame. That would be much more of a problem for what I'll be shooting than lots and lots of footage of frame-filling flash causing rolling shutter problems.
 
Andrew McMillan said:
How much is the fuji 17x by it self.
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About $6,600 USD (though it's almost $9,800 AUD - but then Australians always get jibbed on these things). With the CAC correction it has the lens performs really well for the money, breathes a little, but again at this price point it's to be expected.
 
Different cameras have different degree of wobbling, those looks like extreme cases. The RED for example is a CMOS design, but you don't hear too many people complaining about that.
 
matt g, what is making you stick with the ex1 if you are experiencing all these problems? would you go 170 instead of ex1(3)
 
Buck Forester said:
what I consider a worse problem for what I'll be shooting, is that streaming vertical smear line you get from lights at night on CCD based chips. Like shooting a guy with a headlamp, or even a streetlight... you get that obnoxious line that shoots vertically across the frame. That would be much more of a problem for what I'll be shooting than lots and lots of footage of frame-filling flash causing rolling shutter problems.
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HPX is very good in this regard.

Thats a 1k HMI at about 8 feet away. Sorry about the image size

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Noel Evans said:
HPX is very good in this regard.

Thats a 1k HMI at about 8 feet away. Sorry about the image size
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The 500 is one of the best for smear resistance, because the larger the pixels, the less smear you'll get. There's always a tradeoff;e, but bigger picels = more smear resistance. 2.2mpix may make a sharper imag.
 
Huy Vu said:
Different cameras have different degree of wobbling, those looks like extreme cases. The RED for example is a CMOS design, but you don't hear too many people complaining about that.
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Red has the same rolling shutter problems that the EX1 has. Red scans the sensor a little faster to help reduce the effects, but they are still there. I think one reason you don't see as many complaints is that the Red camera is used in more controlled situations (as in a movie or commercial), so you don't have fast pans or strobe lights.

There are many discussions over at Reduser.net. Here's a thread from this site illustrating the rolling shutter artifacts on a Red camera (go to post #35). Judge for yourself.

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=118686&highlight=rolling+shutter&page=4
 
Pixel size is important, but technology is a lot more important. Kodak CCD get inferior smear to the best Sony CCD sensors, even though the pixel is larger. There is a spec for smear in sensor datasheets. -120dB or -98dB or whatever.

I think smear is only a problem if it is too easy to get it. If street lights or candles make it appear. If it only appears with sun or direct car headlights, it's not a big deal.

I think all tv productions that need cameras on planes, helicopters, race cars, extreme sports rigs etc use CCD because rolling shutter is not acceptable in these shots. On the other hand, a smooth crane shot or a slow tripod pan is ok with CMOS, so it can work fine in drama. But you don't want to run with rolling shutter on your shoulder. Very active camera work, or unstable camera work that wants to look like an amateur clip is not a good idea.
 
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You do read about workflow issues with the Red and issues doing motion tracking as I've seen on some forums. I think you'd get the same if you were doing motion tracking on the EX. As stated, somethings are better for others. I have a friend shooting interviews and corporate vids and the EX is perfect for him.. but when he had to shoot the Lexus 24 hour race, it was all global shutter cams.
 
Otis Grapsas said:
I think all tv productions that need cameras on planes, helicopters, race cars, extreme sports rigs etc use CCD because rolling shutter is not acceptable in these shots.
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Pretty funny you would say that, since the Sony promo video shot on airplanes pulling 6G with the EX1 was as perfect as any footage shot with any CCD global shutter cams.
 
Dxmetal said:
Pretty funny you would say that, since the Sony promo video shot on airplanes pulling 6G with the EX1 was as perfect as any footage shot with any CCD global shutter cams.
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I would expect a promo to look fine. Smooth acceleration is not important at all in this. It does not come and go in fractions of a second like it happens when hard mounting on a car with stiff suspension, a small airplane or a bike. Rolling shutter has practically zero shock tolerance. It can't be fixed in post either.
 
Dxmetal said:
Pretty funny you would say that, since the Sony promo video shot on airplanes pulling 6G with the EX1 was as perfect as any footage shot with any CCD global shutter cams.
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Hi:

I have the Sony EX-1 demo DVD. All of the BG in the plane POV shots where they are demonstrating high G force stability have "the Earth" as a BG. You really can't see the skewing if the BG is an entire section of the planet from the air as much, you really only notice the skewing on vertical objects like buildings, fence posts or people standing in the frame as you pan past them.

Dan
 
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