EX1 on DVXUSER thoughts.

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newadam

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I wanted to share some thoughts in hopes that DVXUSER remains a useful source of knowledge.

I now have two EX1 cameras. I had three HVX's over the last 1.5 years. Just sold the third. I still love the HVX cameras. And honestly I hope DVXUSER remains friendly to users of other cameras. I have thought about it and the reason I like DVXUSER is that no matter what camera we are using today, most of us started out getting inspired by owning the DVX. And it was the DVX that was the first camera which inspired us to be serious about making digital films, not just video. Now today several years later, the technology has matured, and there is a plethora of choices when it comes to 24p cameras. I have chosen that the EX1 will best suit our needs from a business standpoint and a film-making standpoint. I hope this website remains about filmmaking and not just technical issues. I of course appreciate the technical discussions, but sometimes there is fanboyism. I do not have a problem with people pointing out issues with cameras. It is good to know when planning for shooting. I am glad I know the weaknesses on the EX1. Every camera has weaknesses. These are tools

I hope this website matures and the community focuses on filmmaking. I began with my trusty DVX about five years ago. Before that most of my work was graphics creation and post production. I did shooting, but the video world limited my inspiration. The DVX inspired me to make art before I get to Post. It inspired me to focus more on lighting and framing. As a tool it was invaluable. I since moved on to HVX's and now EX1's. And I believe that at some point Panasonic will top the EX1 again. Now whether I switch again is a question I cannot answer. I stated other places that the main reasons I switched this time was the fact that most of my shooting is worldwide and the multi-system nature of the EX1 was invaluable. (It is also nice for the SxS cards to fit in my Macbook easily and I cannot see Panasonic leaving P2 anytime soon) There are other reasons. I still love the HVX and am not looking forward to shipping my third HVX that just sold today.

So I just hope we can move past fanboyism and help each other make better films.

Adam Simpson
 
I don't see any real 'fanboyism" in here except when it appears clearly that those advancing the EX1 either misrepresent its capabilities or disregard its shortcomings. The same when those people misrepresent the shortcoming of the Panny.

These are tools to me and it would shot with a brownie if it produced the footage my clients like and was smooth in post.

But getting into an EX1/HVX200 shootout is just like cats/dogs, Macs/PCs, etc.

There are a number of other non Panasonic forums here.

But asking EX1 questions in the HVX200 forums seems a little silly in the long run.
 
If the camera suits your needs, that's great. All most people want is for people to be aware of what they are buying and buy something that will suit their needs.

My only other comment:
We created a top level EX1 sub-forum weeks ago. 'nuff said. If it remains a popular camera, and it's something that the users want to use, then I don't see the issue.

Forgive me for closing the thread ahead of time (b/c I'm sure I will shortly), but I just dont' want another one of those threads. However your point is duly noted. Want to talk about the camera? Fine, go for it. Want to go out and film with it and share your kick ass footage? Great. Want to discover things about the camera that you think potential buyers should be aware of? Awesome. I thought the sticky in the EX1 forum when it was created by Barry_S summed it up quite nicely and if everyone keeps that in mind, then there shouldn't be any major problems... But, maybe I'm too optimistic.

Later,
Jason.
 
I think this forum is a great resource for anyone interested in video or filmmaking. There are people on this forum shooting with sub-$500 handycams and people who just picked up one of the first RED cameras. I think everybody, for the most part, gets along and doesn't get caught up in minor technical details.
 
Sorry guys. I guess something got lost in translation. I was not trying to create another Mac/PC or Panasonic/Sony flame thread. I was actually trying to play down fanboyism and play up filmmaking in community. I thought I worded it well, but apparently not. The reason for posting it on the HVX forum is because I hoped in some way we could move past useless prejudice on brands and help each other make better images. (Not that we should not critique technical problems if you have useful hands on knowledge)

I was also just trying to say that this site has been an awesome resource over the years. And I hope it can continue to even though I use a different brand camera now. There seems to be more collective creativity from those on this site and it has been a great blessing. We have a common thread in that the DVX began something in us. The desire to create better images. I just was hoping maybe this site could continue to be the resource it has for me over the years.

So apologies for sounding like another flame thread. Not intended.
 
Didn't sound like a flame thread. Just hoping it won't become one :)

This site is what the members make it. And the goal is with emphasis on the "User" in dvxuser. dvxuser has become a sort of brand name, like kleenex, xerox, etc. Not something that is meant to limit the talk that can take place here. Just a tap into the roots of the site that has grown so much in so little time. The emphasis is and will be on the 'users.

Later,
Jason
 
Well if we want to talk about format wars I remember when the Sony HDR-FX1 was introduced Sony criticized the Panasonic Varicam for not being true high definition because it was only 720p. Panasonic could have surrendered like most camera companies by dumping its progressive scanning technology in order to save its camera sales however this would have sacraficed progressive scan picture quality. Panasonic came up with a more clever solution and introduced its multiformat HVX-200 which combines the picture quality advantages of the progressive format with the marketing sucess and big numbers of the interlace format. Now Sony introduces the EX-1 as if they invented the camera even though it uses the same technology that Sony tried to kill in the market place.
 
Well, thanks for pointing out the one statement that makes me sound like an ass :) Point behind it was, that I expected this thread to get personal very quickly. But, hey it hasn't :beer:

Later,
Jason
 
I think this forum is great also. And it is a constant soure of information. I guess one of the big issues is everyone is suddenly a heresay expert (not everyone but you know what I mean). The internet has a lot of misinformation and we all know that. For example I read a thread today claiming the HVX had less noise than a Sony camera - now people who have looked closely, Id say Barry included know thats not close to true, but then there are so many factors to consider with any camera on the market. There are some people that get to really have a close look at different cams, full res footage and get to post about them before some people have made their purchases. There are people that in doing this think they can do people a service by posting what they found / saw / felt, regardless positive or negative so people can go into the world and say (because lets face it we all have to do this) - well this cam has this, but not that and then this cam does this wierd and or this wonderfully, and then in turn make a decision that only they have to live with.

Everyone knows I love the Canon A1... its got good resolution. Does it suffer a little from some CA at some points of the lens? Yes. Does it have variable frame rate? No. Does it have a rather nice 20x zoom? Yes. Anyway I think you know what I am talking about. Then everyone knows I love the HPX(mostly). These are the cams I use because I did exactly what I mentioned above. Does it mean I wont use an Sony 350? No, because I have to at times. Anyway blah blah blah and so on, I just wish could pop by horses place and see what beer he has in the fridge.
 
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Look, *every* camera is welcome here. Discussions on every camera are welcome here. Enthusiasm is welcome here. Fanboyism is discouraged. Trolling is prohibited.

Here's an example of enthusiasm: "I love my HV20, this product does everything I need and it was so inexpensive! Thank you, Canon!"

Here's an example of fanboyism: "Dude, forget the EX1, all you need is the HV20. The HV20 does everything the EX1 does, the EX1 is just a ripoff. The HV20 is the greatest camera ever made. Anyone who buys anything else is just stupid."

Obviously the HV20 is not a suitable replacement for an EX1 for all cases. Yet, for some users, it may be exactly what they need. Keep the discussion centered on the workflow you intend to use the product for, instead of rah-rah for the brand and "will the EX1 finally 'kill' the HD100" type of posts, and we won't have a problem.
 
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