GH3 EOSHD reviews the pre-production firmware GH3

nothing said:
LOL you've obviously never dealt with a real line producer - the bottom line is all that matters to them.
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Exactly. And there's very little you can do about it. So you roll with the punches (or knives...) :happy:

I just don't think Andrew has such a great penetration into the minds of these people. And if he has, then as I said, there's not much can be done. Certainly posting negative comments about him isn't going to stop him doing what he does, nor will it correct any perceived wrongs.

So what's the point? Take the higher ground and continue doing the best you can under whatever circumstances you find yourself in.

Take care.
 
VMT said:
Seriously, when EOSHD is mentioned on DVX, the bitches come out slapping and yapping. The bitchfest is getting old and reflects poorly on otherwise I;m sure consummate professionals. EOSHD is a blog and is opinion useful to many, and the guy seems passionate about what he does. The hatred expressed borders on jealousy and pathological. you don;t like him, please keep it to yourself, or start your own blog to express your opinion.
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I have to ask why this bitching is allowed by the mods. It isn't allowed when a mod is criticised and it isn't allowed on Red User, because it brings the discussion off topic.

Do you want to read about the GH3 or do you want to see a load of pointless nastiness?

A mod can finally put a stop to this and bring the topic back to life without all the pointless axe grinding, which has been going on for no less than nearly 3 years now from the same guys. So man up and show some moderation.
 
Andrew Reid said:
A mod can finally put a stop to this and bring the topic back to life without all the pointless axe grinding, which has been going on for no less than nearly 3 years now from the same guys. So man up and show some moderation.
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I just want to thank Andrew for his efforts. I completely agree that he isn’t always right, he expresses his opinion, and that he isn’t always right. However, that is exactly what I want in a reviewer.

I want someone who is willing to stick their neck out there and ask the questions that most reviewers don’t dare to.

Maybe the fact that he didn’t start out as Pro photographer is what makes him willing to ask the questions he does that no one else will. We all know that in the world of photography and videography you don’t get anywhere by rustling the feathers of people that matter in the industry.

So many other people have built up a reputation as a “Pro photographer” so everyone just assumes they know everything about cameras. When in fact they probably know more about smoozing the right people than they do about the technical details of how the camera works.

I have seen some reviews lately that get many thousands of hits even though the reviewer knows nothing about the specific equipment they are reviewing. They just assume that a camera is a camera so they already know everything there is to know about it.

I don’t always agree with everything on EOSHD. However, time and time again I see Andrew ask the questions that I want to know the answers to. I thank him for that.

I really don’t care what happened in the past and I can judge for myself what I think is correct and what is not. However, I am thankful that someone like Andrew has the access to ask these questions because no one else seems to be willing to do it.
 
today was the first time i've posted in over a year, its pretty disappointing that the same squabbles are still going on.

i appreciate what EOSHD does, its way better someone is putting in the effort to share new information than nobody sharing any information.

lets all take a breather and look forward :)

personally i'm pumped the GH3 coming out, i'm not a professional so some flaws i can overlook. for me the benefits outweigh the negatives.

ex GH1 user and soon to be ex 5D2 user! :p
 
mpgxsvcd said:
...I really don’t care what happened in the past and I can judge for myself what I think is correct and what is not. However, I am thankful that someone like Andrew has the access to ask these questions because no one else seems to be willing to do it.
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+1
 
I don't know what you people are reading and the past doesn't matter. I say he is passionate and he is. His review from the GH3 clearly says there are problems and I never once got the feeling that it is an amazing camera.

He said this and this is wrong and these other things are good. Pretty fair review to me, you people are looking to deep into his past which has NOTHING to do with his present. He listed Pros and Cons, Good for me.
 
Andrew got a sneak peak at the GH3, got to use it, and shared his opinion with us. He is fully aware of the issues of DSLRs and knows the right questions to ask. I appreciate that.
 
Just increases the anticipation for full firmware versions to come out. Hoping the bad moire is a firmware issue, because everything else is what I've been hoping for. Excited by the possibility of improved rolling shutter performance, hopefully will see gains in 24p and not just 60p situations.

As for Moire, as long as it is no worse than everything else out there, we should know how to avoid it by now. Of course it would have been preferable to maintain all of the GH2 strengths, then make improvements. But again, they have not released any shipping versions yet.
 
RatLabProductions said:
I'll save my disappointment until I see under what conditions and how bad the moire is. To me the rest of the pluses outweigh the slight chance of moire and aliasing. It is not like its as bad as the lins skipping produces on cannon cameras. The GH3 is pixel binning just not as nicely due to the conessions made for photos.
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The GH3 isn't pixel binning. It is line skipping.
 
dop16mm said:
As for Moire, as long as it is no worse than everything else out there, we should know how to avoid it by now.
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Moire is pretty much non-existent when shooting with the GH2, so I really never have to consider it most of the time. ( the occasional pin-stripe shirt or extreme herring-bone jacket might show a little moire )

This is what I expect from the GH3, and it's a huge let-down to not have this level of image quality.

My work and the jobs I am getting are improving, so any camera upgrade I consider will have to be as good as the GH2 is.

Right now the Canon C100 looks extremely attractive for run'n'gun and quick turn-around work.
 
If the GH3 is really going to moire worse than the GH2 then I will be passing.......
I will wait until I see some more real world examples.
I have canceled my pre-order.
 
I'm keeping mine open, since it's still at least 6 weeks until it's supposed to ship...but I admit I'm no longer sure about the purchase.
Video is what matters to me, and I need to see more work that makes it feel worth twice the price of the GH2 to justify the cost. Philip Bloom's video looked great early on.
But the "real-world" stuff that I've seen around doesn't look as good. I dunno...I'm still on the fence.

This GH3 sensor seems like a compromise when it could have been a coup de grace.

We'll see...
 
I just got my confirmation that my order is canceled....
Panasonic could have been a contender....
With RED lowering prices and Sony coming out with new 4K cameras
and the BMC looking interesting - I will keep shooting with my GH2
until it all shakes out some more.
 
mpgxsvcd said:
I just want to thank Andrew for his efforts. I completely agree that he isn’t always right, he expresses his opinion, and that he isn’t always right. However, that is exactly what I want in a reviewer.

I want someone who is willing to stick their neck out there and ask the questions that most reviewers don’t dare to.

Maybe the fact that he didn’t start out as Pro photographer is what makes him willing to ask the questions he does that no one else will. We all know that in the world of photography and videography you don’t get anywhere by rustling the feathers of people that matter in the industry.

So many other people have built up a reputation as a “Pro photographer” so everyone just assumes they know everything about cameras. When in fact they probably know more about smoozing the right people than they do about the technical details of how the camera works.

I have seen some reviews lately that get many thousands of hits even though the reviewer knows nothing about the specific equipment they are reviewing. They just assume that a camera is a camera so they already know everything there is to know about it.

I don’t always agree with everything on EOSHD. However, time and time again I see Andrew ask the questions that I want to know the answers to. I thank him for that.

I really don’t care what happened in the past and I can judge for myself what I think is correct and what is not. However, I am thankful that someone like Andrew has the access to ask these questions because no one else seems to be willing to do it.
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Well said.

I am beginning to realise that this DSLR community and the filmmaking world is a small world and with what one gains in terms of self expression and entertainment on a forum being unpleasant to a fellow filmmaker, one loses in terms of how the outside world judges their character. They should think about who is reading and then think again how unpleasant they are coming across.

I don't want to read the vitriol either!

I am glad people recognise my honesty in terms of the reviews, camera companies don't want people who sugar their opinion and scratch backs in an effort to build a relationship. That is a false relationship.
 
Thanks for the progress review on the GH3 Andrew. Useful information. It is looking promising as a still camera/B-video camera upgrade for me.
 
Just stay out of the 'opinion as facts' and rumor bullsh1t, and youll hear less negativity, andrew.

if its your opinion without any facts, state it clearly as your opinion. Dont spew out s*%t explaining things without basis.
if you get a rumor, state that its a rumor and even if your 100% sure, unless a press release or a factual evidence is produced, its still a rumor.

anyhoo i dont mind your reviews stating your impression on a camera that youve seen and held with basis on actual evidence. The keyword here is FACTS.
 
HVXguy said:
I just got my confirmation that my order is canceled....
Panasonic could have been a contender....
With RED lowering prices and Sony coming out with new 4K cameras
and the BMC looking interesting - I will keep shooting with my GH2
until it all shakes out some more.
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BMCC is $3000 plus the same again on storage and a new editing rig... Minimum.
Red One is $4000 plus the same again on accessories and PL lenses... And that is being optimistic.

GH3 is $1299 with minimal extra expense, but for a tiny bit of moire you are cancelling? Before even trying it? If only Canon shooters hated moire this much they could have all swapped to the GH2
 
dcloud said:
Just stay out of the 'opinion as facts' and rumor bullsh1t, and youll hear less negativity, andrew.

if its your opinion without any facts, state it clearly as your opinion. Dont spew out s*%t explaining things without basis.
if you get a rumor, state that its a rumor and even if your 100% sure, unless a press release or a factual evidence is produced, its still a rumor.

anyhoo i dont mind your reviews stating your impression on a camera that youve seen and held with basis on actual evidence. The keyword here is FACTS.
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For all the facts I got wrong (yes, I am human) there are 10 I got right, and another 10 opinions which you misread as fact due to English not being your first language. How about you start reading my blog like the filmmaker's informed opinion it is meant to be... Your grudge is personal and pointless. If you don't like my opinions, you are welcome to read ones elsewhere you do agree with. You have an axe to grind don't you?
 
Andrew Reid said:
BMCC is $3000 plus the same again on storage and a new editing rig... Minimum.
Red One is $4000 plus the same again on accessories and PL lenses... And that is being optimistic.

GH3 is $1299 with minimal extra expense, but for a tiny bit of moire you are cancelling? Before even trying it? If only Canon shooters hated moire this much they could have all swapped to the GH2
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I can always buy one later. But I really have my eye on the BMC with the MFT mount.
Shooting PRORES directly has a lot of appeal.
I use the GH2 every week on a camera crane shooting Motor Homes.
Lots of detail and lines.
I did have the Canon T2i and dumped it for the GH2.
I had another GH2 and just sold it to save some money for the GH3.
I have rented RED and while the post process has been streamlined it is still a lot of work.
Most of the stuff I shoot and edit has tight turns.
 
So I will be having to take time out from productive prepping in order to re-educate those that have been corrupted by this misinformation.
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I think your giving Eoshd way to much credit, I honestly dont think anyone with any common sense takes his opinion with more than a grain of salt. anyways....
I have yet the opportunity to study the gh3 footage, I did see the Phil Bloom film, but didn't see the moire that people are complaining about, is it canon bad? god I hope not!

If I recall, isn't this an all new Sony sensor? If this is the case, why? Why not continue to use the gh2 sensor? does the sensor limit dynamic range? or is that the processing aspect of how it scans it?
Just trying to wrap my head around why they would discontinue such a great imaging sensor.
 
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